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Image 12

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General notes on Image 12

This is the image for November and the immigration reference is to Russia.
This image is thought to be linked to Verse 10 and a casque in the New York City area.
Please note: This image contains several visual references to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island. Both sites are important historical landmarks where treasure hunting is completely prohibited. There is no chance that the New York casque is buried at either of these sites, and attempting a dig on either island would very likely result in serious criminal charges. Please don't even attempt it. The visual references to these two islands in Image 12 strongly suggest that one should see the islands on the way to an ultimate destination in a less sensitive spot somewhere on the perimeter of the New York harbor.

Specific Observations

Please record your notes about this image in the list below. Use the letter/number grid to identify the point on the image that you're describing. To keep things organized, 1) please start each observation with a letter/number combo (in bold), and 2) add new observations in the right place on the list to keep everything alphabetized.

A4 - The bird's right wing appears to form a "3" at the uppermost tip.
B5 - In the gap between the ends of the bird's wings, where we should see the edge of the window, we only see the wall.
C3, C6, & C7 - The colored dot patterns are similar to those used in the Ishihara test for color blindness.
C6 - The head of the bird is similar to at least two monuments in the New York area (see below).
D3 - The doorway could represent Ellis Island, the doorway to America.
D4 - The dark rectangle could be the World Trade Center (completed in 1973 and destroyed in 2001) or it could be the berth where ships docked at Ellis Island.
D5 - The building shown as an outline has the onion domes that are commonly (but not exclusively) found on Russian Orthodox churches. They could also be a match for the spires on the main building at Ellis Island (see below).
D6 - The face is a good match for the face on the Statue of Liberty (see below).
D7 - The time on the clock is 11:00, indicating the month of November.
E6 - There are patches of slightly browner skin above the neckline on the dress. The shape might be significant (although it would be very small in the printed book).
F4 - The flower is a chrysanthemum, the birth flower for November.
F5 - The shadow on her sleeve is a close representation of Roosevelt Island when the image is flipped sideways and rotated 180 degrees (see below).
F,G6 - The sash on the woman's dress is a stylized representation of Manhattan, flipped from top to bottom (see below).
F6 to H6 - There appears to be the face of a lion hidden in the wrinkles of the woman's dress (see below).
J5, K6, J7 & K7 - The small shapes below the dress could represent the islands in New York Harbor: Ellis Island, Liberty Island, and Governors Island. There isn't an obvious match for the fourth shape.
J5-7 & K6-7 - The three droplets and one jewel may represent the other four boroughs of NYC with Brooklyn being the jewel (2nd largest of the four and 2nd largest borough).
J6 - The distinctive shape formed by the bottom of the dress is often interpreted as a match for Manhattan (because of its position, hanging down from above) but it is actually a stronger match for a rotated outline of Staten Island (see below).
K6 - The jewel is a topaz, the birth stone for November.
L3 - There appears to be a lion or some other animal in the waves (see below).
M3 to M8 - A breaking wave forms a ridge of water. If the wave is in a bay, it could be considered a "bay ridge," possibly in reference to that neighborhood in Brooklyn.
O6 - There appears to be a "74" in the water (see below).

The Image 1 - Image 12 Connection:

Image 1, the first painting in The Secret, is paired in several ways with this final painting, Image 12. Most obviously, these two images are the only paintings in The Secret to have a narrow shape with a rounded top. The shape is very similar to the interior opening in each of the two towers of the Verrazano–Narrows Bridge (see photo below). Both images also feature a solitary woman in flowing robes, and the dotted background behind the dragon in the front panel of the dress in Image 1 is very similar to the dotted areas that appear at the top of Image 12.
Beyond the visual similarities, Images 1 and 12 are also linked in their meanings. The casques associated with those two images are thought to be located in major port cities - San Francisco and New York - on opposite sides of the country. Those cities have been shaped and defined by immigration and by the millions of people who arrived in America through their ports. The entrances to both harbors are spanned by huge and historic suspension bridges that mark the entrance to a new country and a new world.
The two images may also be linked by the mythology behind The Secret. Image 1 features a dragon and Image 12 possibly includes the legendary dragon-slayer Saint George.
In both images, the nose on the female figure is directly above the jewel. The vertical line that passes through the nose and jewel in this image is exactly the same line that passes through the nose and jewel in Image 12.

Other Notes:

By combining the longitude (74) and the visual references to the Statue of Liberty, we can direct this search to the New York metropolitan area. The images of breaking waves and islands in a sea of blue suggest that we should focus on the area around New York Bay. There are at least three strong references to Ellis Island in the picture, but Ellis is north of Liberty Island and would not allow visitors to "gaze north to the isle of B." If "isle of B." is Liberty Island, we should be somewhere south of that in New York Bay. A line heading directly south of Liberty Island would pass under the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and head out to sea without ever hitting land, but presumably "north" is meant more as a general direction. The combination of evidence suggests that we should be looking for a place near the waterfront, in either Brooklyn or Staten Island, where one could have a view northwards to the Statue of Liberty.
For historic aerial views of New York City, try using NYCityMap. For historical photos of New York City, try using the Photo Gallery of the NYC Department of Records. ("The online gallery now totals more than 900,000--the largest collection of historical images of New York City in the world.")

Image Matches

The face is a very strong match for the Statue of Liberty. Note the turn of the head, the parted hair, the broad forehead that shades the eyes, the long straight nose, and the pursed lips with the slight frown. Statue of Liberty image by calestyo on Flickr
Many searchers automatically assume that the bird in the image is a reference to the well-known and iconic sculptures on the Chrysler Building, but it doesn't have the same overbite and the beak is much longer relative to the head.
The bird is actually a much better match to the stone birds on top of the Ferry Building at Ellis Island. Note: the longer beak, the thinner "eyebrow" over the eye, the lack of an overbite, the open mouth, the narrow gap where the points of the upper and lower beaks almost touch, and the small tongue lifted into the gap between the beaks. This is one of the strongest visual matches in all of The Secret.
The blue spires shown in profile are a reasonable match for the domes at the four corners of the main building at Ellis Island.		by Anita363
The arched panels at the top of the picture could be a representation of the windows in the buildings at Ellis Island. Several of the Ellis windows are arched, although none of them are a perfect match for the shapes in the picture.	by Jeff Summers	by David Paul Ohmer
	by dlm7155	by AndrewHavis
The overall narrow, arched shape of Image 12 resembles the opening inside each tower of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. (This is a Google maps image from Fort Hamilton Triangle.)
The gray rectangle at the top is a very strong match for the channel where ships once docked at Ellis Island. The channel currently even has the same red outline around it, although it isn't yet known whether that feature is a new addition or was present in 1980.
The unusual sleeves on the woman's dress form a diamond shape around her central torso. With the circle formed by the head and neckline, and with the hands extended out of the sleeves on each side, the woman appears to be forming the shape of an inverted baseball diamond. (Simplified baseball diagram taken from Wikimedia and used under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.)
There appears to be the face of a lion or some other animal hidden in the wrinkles of the woman's dress. The image on the left shows the dress as it appears in the original, with only half the "face" showing. The image in the middle shows the same dress segment with a reflection added down the middle of the "face" so both halves are shown. The image on the far right shows a stone carving of a lion on the Richmond County Supreme Court in St. George, Staten Island. The wall with the carving faces the terminal for the Staten Island Ferry.
The lower part of the dress is often assumed to be a representation of the southern tip of Manhattan, but it is actually a closer match to the northern tip of Staten Island rotated 180 degrees. Start at the upper left corner of the dress and the Staten Island image and imagine going along it as a driver going along a racecourse: long straight, sharp left turn, short straight, broad right turn, straight, broad U-turn at the lowest point, shallow bulge to the right and back, another shallow bulge to the right followed by a left turn and a long straightaway. The angles and lengths are slightly distorted, but all the curves are in the correct order, scale, and orientation to represent Staten Island.
There is a representation of Manhattan in the image and it's in the long, narrow sash worn by the woman. The sash has to be flipped from top-to-bottom to see the comparison. In the usual (maddening) way of The Secret, this "Sash-hattan" captures all the major curves of the outline but distorts them just enough so that the shape is not immediately recognizable.
The crashing waves at the lower left appear to form a clawed, upright animal facing sideways, similar to the design of the lion in the Royal Standard of Scotland. This might connect to the possible reference to Sir Walter Scott in Verse 10. The lower image at right is a picture from a building at 450 95th Street in Brooklyn, near Fort Hamilton Triangle. The building is called "Lyon Court" and has a blue line running just below the roofline with a repeated image on it.
The other bit of crashing foam, to the right of the lion, is almost certainly another representation of something important. One interpretation is that it shows a plumed knight on a rearing white horse. If so, the figure would very likely be Saint George, who rode on a white horse to slay a dragon. The representation of St. George in the final painting of the book would be a symbolic counterpoint to the representation of a dragon in Image 1. The painting at far right is St. George and the Dragon by the Italian Renaissance artist Raphael. It was painted sometime around 1504 and is now housed in the Louvre in Paris. The Staten Island Ferry docks in the St. George neighborhood of Staten Island.
The patterns in the waves may show the forked trunk of a young tree, turned sideways. The swirling patterns of dark and light areas would be a good match for a sycamore.

Latitude / Longitude Hints

There appears to be a "74" in the waves below the woman's dress. The line for 74 degrees west (longitude) runs through lower Manhatten and Brooklyn. The Statue of Liberty is only slightly further west at 74.04 degrees.

The latitude of New York City ranges from 40.5 to 40.9 degrees north, but there do not appear to be any hints about latitude in the image. There is a very clear "3" at the tip of the bird's wing, but that number by itself would make no sense as either a latitude or longitude.

Some people have suggested that the shape above the "74" could be a number of some kind, but it it more likely to be a representation of the Eye of Horus, similar to ones seen in some of the other images.

The Fair Folk Link

Page 10 of The Secret shows a map of the origins of the Fair Folk described in the book.

The immigration reference for Image 12 is Russia, Tartary, Poland Hungary. The map lists the species of Fair Folk that hail from that region as: Vazily, Lesy, Poleviki, Domivye, Vily, Ruskalki. If the fairy from each painting is a depiction of one of the Fair Folk from the same country of origin as the immigration reference, the creature pictured in Image 12 is likely a Rusalka (singular of Rusalki).

It is possible this information factors into the solution.

Description

Features & Characteristics

Ivan Kramskoi, The Mermaids, 1871 (Aka Drowned Maidens, Russian: Rusalka)

A Rusalka is a water nymph from Russia.

A female spirit that came to be associated with a woman who had suffered a tragic fate by committing suicide or especially by being drowned by murder or suicide.

A female water spirit to be feared.

Her purpose is to lure young men to their deaths, often via drowning. Seduced by her looks or voice.

Similar to a Siren of the Greek tradition.

The woman depicted in Image 12 hovering above the water may be a Rusalka.

She is associated with water in the painting, as is a Rusalka.

Though a Rusalka is associated with rivers or lakes in folklore, the water reference in Image 12 is thought by many to be linked to NY Harbor.

The long and flowing white robe the figure in Image 12 is wearing looks very similar to the garments shown in the painting above. Perhaps the artist was familiar with this work.

Questions, questions, questions...

Does the dock area at Ellis Island actually have that red outline on all three sides?
Did the dock area have the same red outline in 1980?
Could the colored dots actually represent a pattern that was present on the floor or ceiling of the old Whitehall Ferry Terminal before it burned down in 1991?

Proposed solutions:

Wiki user Don has posted a proposed solution here: https://www.academia.edu/98294978/The_Secret_New_York_proposed_solution_10mar23

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Comments (73)

I've just started looking into this, what fun! I work in NYC, and used to work downtown. IF this image is about NY (which it seems to be), then "Indies native" is almost certainly Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies and founded the Bank of New York (now BNY Mellon). However, more importantly, the Custom House at the bottom of Bowling Green is named for him. Perched atop the Alexander Hamilton Custom House is this:

http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/103558149/alexander_hamilton_custom_house.jpg

There is a rotunda in the custom house, which I believe is now the National Museum of the American Indian.

My theory is that the treasure is buried somewhere in Hamilton Triangle.”Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native, The natives still speak of him of Hard words in 3 Vols” Hamilton was British West Indies native; the park has had 3 names, first as Hamilton Plaza, then Fort Hamilton Triangle, the locals during the 80-90's coined it Pigeons Park. If you look on google maps at 450 95th Street Brooklyn you'll see Lyon Court, if you zoom in to the detail near the roof you'll see a repeating pattern of sea-blue lyons. On top of the obelisk is an eagle like bird. In verse 10 it refers to the 'grey giant' you can see the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge from most streets in that neighborhood. "In summer you'll often hear a whirring sound...cars abound" - it's surrounded by roads on all sides. The rest of the verse refers to where to locate the treasure. I believe it's in the left most corner of the park, closest to the “isle of B” or Bedloe’s Island aka Liberty Island.

The verrazano bridge also has the same shape of the arch in Image 12.

Fort Hamilton Triangle is formed when 4th and 5th Avenues meet at 95th street. In the image the woman's left hand has 5 fingers that are visible and on her right 4 fingers can be seen. With her arms in the downward position it forms a triangular shape.

Her right hand shows 5 fingers, Her left shows 4. (I mixed them up)

There's no window between the wings of the bird, where the arch should naturally continue? could this have significance? Has this been noticed before?

http://80s.nyc/

Street view of NYC in the 1980's

May help..may not.

I'm new to this so please bear with me. Is that an inverted torch at G6 on her dress?

We are main trying to figure out the clue "Gaze north to the Isle of B. which we are sure is not an Island surrounded by water.
Theories?

Why are you sure that this isn’t Bedloe’s island (liberty island)?

I am not sure of anything to be realistic about it.
it could very well bell Bedloe, but the word Isle. instead if island leads me to think it is probably a small island, possibly man made
Bedloe is a credible theory to me still

There are a lot of connections to Alexander Hamilton. unfortunately, there are many spots in NYC dedicated or named after him or with some sort of history of him. i recently upload a picture of his family Arms, which looks an awful lot like the image being referred to as the Royal standard to Scotland, both are related. I have no clue how someone reached to the name of Sir Walter Scott.

I hate to double-dip, but here are some images I feel are related (go to the Verse 10 page theories):
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123211815/BatteryParkDress.png
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123211818/VerrazzanoDiscovery.png
You'll note that the Discovery statue resembles the lady in reverse. Her one hand matches almost exactly the statue's hand holding the sword, whilst the other hand holds a flower instead of torch.

They must of recently took down the statue. The base is still there.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that in the episode of Expedition Unknown, Preiss's daughters state that the items referenced in the picture could all be seen from the area where the casque is buried. Ellis Island, The Statue of Liberty, an Eagle (East coast WWII Memorial), and the body of the lady (Discovery) are all visible from Battery Park.

I would agree on everything except the WWII memorial eagle, since it look distinctly different. However, the same bird in the image is on top of the Custom house/Native American museum. Bowling green park is very tiny and there is a round fountain in the middle that is outlined with lose soil but I doubt that soil is old or deep enough. Battery park has been flooded many times over the last 40 years and trying to dig or poke anywhere around there is highly frowned upon during the day since everything is well sectioned off and at night the rats will eat you alive! I will say this is the only spot where you can see most of the image. The onion domes, statue of liberty, the bird (seagull), and a few clocks that are similar to the one in the picture. The colored stones I have not seen anywhere and the rest of the poem does not describe a specific location, from what I can tell. Promising spot, battery park, but nothing so far. Suggestions?

The custom house and the Alexander Hamilton references in both the poem and the image are the only thing I find to be worth looking at when seeing that pattern of how the clues are set up. I am uploading an image now of the seagull's face on top of the CH. Check it out and tell me what you think. This bird is highly affiliated with Alex. Hamilton. There is the same bird, different pose, near central park in another Hamilton monument, this one being a water post for horse made by his brother, if I do remember correctly (not something to look deep into). That with the Lion crest, which is also a trademark of AH. CH is a very strong lead!

What about the Netherland Monument?

I visited the monument, since it made sense to go south from Bowling green part to there. Just like the Verazzano statue, it is a good location and a lot of things match up, but nothing seem likely for a specific burial site. If it is in Battery Park, a million permits would be needed and I am sure not granted. Chances are that if the author truly meant for these boxes to be found in 30 days, that they might be gone and destroyed forever due to construction and renovations. We have great suggestions and one area that pops out more then others, but with the clues from the image and the poem, I do not feel like anything will be found using them in NYC.

I will be brutally honest: I’ve been sitting on several pieces of information, and I’ve only shared a few with anyone. I’m about to upload the match I’ve been sitting on for NYC. I’m debating revealing what I have for Houston, Montreal, and Im6/V9 (not St. Augustine). The image I’m uploading is a comparison of the lady’s left sleeve and Admiral George Dewey (Street?) between Battery Park and the Whitehall Terminal. I heard there was a mermaid statue in front of the terminal until is was rebuilt in 2004, which may be depicted on the right side of my crop. I strongly believe the casque was next to the statue and destroyed during rebuilding. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find any photos of the grounds before the 1985 fire. Anyone got any?

One of the issues I’ve been running across is a lack of consistently detailed maps. Some have certain paths, others are different. And finding clear maps of the Battery itself isn’t as easy as I would expect. On top of that the changes that have happened in the last 60 or so years since the tunnel was built means constant changes. New monuments, possibly new paths, changes to the buildings surrounding the edges of the park (like Whitehall Terminal) make it difficult.

I’ll be honest, I wondered if that bus loop was the V, but given the images I could find, it didn’t seem like a place that could realistically be searched.

And quite honestly, I think trying to dig in downtown Manhattan isn’t going to be as easy as it was 35 years ago from a security standpoint.

We have been doing the same with the mapping. I live in the area, and while there have been changes, most of the park is the same as far as gardens and monuments are concerned, even after hurricane Sandy. I also agree that digging or even poking around Battery Park would be difficult. Usually there are too many eyes on you at all times, and after visiting yesterday, I did not see anything promising that stands out, although i will be going back Friday to get some more pictures and video. The only place that stood out was bowling green and the planted circular garden around the fountain, but i sincerely doubt that the gardens soil is old enough or deep enough. While I think the spot or rather the path is the most possible, there is no X marks the spot situation happening.

Something is missing. This puzzle unlike the others does not seem to be moving you along a path as much as describing one spot, from my interpretation. yet, the poem could not be more vague in its references. The grey Giant, Rhapsodic man, 22 steps or MORE!

What's funny is that I bought the old school 3D glasses to look at this picture because it reminded me of when I was a kid and saw these patterns and it would change the picture. It does a little when looking at it with 3D glasses but I am not familiar enough with this puzzle to say for sure.

Oh.. I should note that I don't own the physical book. Not sure if 3D glasses interpret well on a computer/cell phone screen. If someone has the actual book and has the old blue/red 3D glasses they might want to give it a try.

'Take twice as many east steps as the hour' = There is a clock in the photo stuck at 11 o'clock. This appears to be telling us that there are 22 steps to the east of something involved.

Yeah, we are pretty sure about it not being in Central park. The author did confirm that and a few other clues about other cities before he died. You may look it up on a google search. Was a good try though. Hope you can read this!

Does anyone think that Roosevelt Island looks like the part of the lady's robe that's hanging down off the belt? (Sorry I wasn't sure how to describe it). Not sure what significance it would have though. There's Belmont island there (Isle of B?), but it's South of that point, not North, so probably not significant.

Oh yeah...I think there's an eagle atop a monolith that has the head of the bird in the image.

Yeah Jim. I noticed that bird a while ago and posted pictures from the Alexander Hamilton Custom house, located in battery park. The bird is associated with Hamilton in many monuments around the city. And yes, it's head is a good match for the bird in our image.

So another frequent debate on theories: is it a safe assumption to think that you can see all the landmarks in the images from the site of the casque?

Not at all. The Chicago casque wasn't buried in sight of the water tower. I don't think anyone believes that the Milwaukee casque is buried within sight of city hall. Some landmarks are just there to help us identify the right city.

I thought as much. Thanks for the clarification.

Not necessarily, but from the episode of EU conversation between Gates and Preiss's daughters:

(On Ellis Is.)
Gates: "Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the boxes is here [NYC]?"
Daughter 1: "So, he did say in a very fatherly way, 'Where would daddy bury a treasure?' And so...in New York...and, of course..."
Daughter 2: "It would be crazy if he didn't bury a treasure in NY."
Gates: "Right. And so, which illustration do you think is the NY illustration?"
Daughter: "The last illustration...I think the woman in the photo has the face of the Statue of Liberty..."
Gates: "Oh, yeah, she does."
Daughter 1: I think the bottom of her dress sort of outlines the shape of Manhattan."
[mirror Image of manhattan shown]
Gates: "That's really compelling."
Daughter 1: "He said that for the NY one, where your standing--where the treasure is buried--you can see all of the features that are in that illustration."
Gates: "You can see them all from the dig spot?"
Daughter: "Yeah, from the dig spot."
Gates: "Really?
Daughter: "Yeah."
Gates: "That's really intriguing."

Then it goes into a theory about George Washington being the 'grey giant' and Hamilton's grave at Trinity Church and Bowling Green before going into an interview with JJP.

Thanks Drumm, that changes everything about a lot of theories. I just hope she was speaking from fact. If not, it would be a horrible diversion lol

I'd also like to note that I believe the sash, when flipped, better matches Manhattan (and the Bronx) than the even the bottom of her dress.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123823872/Img12Sash-hattan.png

If that matches, take a wild guess where the black line approximately points...

Great catch! I'm sure you're right about the flipped outline.

(I also love the name "Sash-hattan." I used that when I added your image to the page.)

Stash-Hattan is a good theory not brought up before, at least to my knowledge. And if you are right, that black line is pointing towards Battery park, downtown Manhattan area. Maybe the line is an indicator for Broadway? Someone had theorized before that the Isle. of B could be the Aisle of Broadway. In any case, great find Drumman. I will be working on this for a few days, I am sure LOL

One thing I noticed, for whatever it's worth and I'm sure someone has already noted this. Looking at the images from Chicago and Cleveland, and the specific location where the casques were found. Those are placed pretty much dead center in the image. Like for Cleveland, the wall is right in the middle of the photo. On the Chicago one, the fence post is also right in the middle of the photo. So if you were apply that here, then it's ultimately got something to do with that sash. Unfortunately, Manhattan is just so darn big :)

That is a great observation, Lori. I often look at the solved puzzles to see if I can see patterns as well. With all the theories, even with the new Sash-hattan, it all comes back to about 3 or 4 actually digging spots. However, once you are there, the location becomes more illusive. Most parks in NYC go undisturbed thankfully. There are laws to preserve the parks here and not make them into parking lots. Battery park and bowling green for example, have looked the same for decades if not more. You can look at historical paintings and see that bowling green park looked exactly the same over a century ago, with the round fountain and soil surrounding it. Again, I have no idea how deep that soil would be there, but other then that, there is absolutely no loose soil around there.

Not sure if anyone saw this in the Verse 10 thread (particularly Alex, since you were oon sure today):

Has anyone considered the idea that “east steps” might means stairs instead of paces? I know the number is assumed to be 22 (2x11), which depending on height would probably give a staircase of 1-2 stories. NYC is notoriously flat in topography, but it’s possible that there is some kind of hillock or building entry (it looks like Federal Hall, for example, has 18 steps).

I was looking at the areas with dots in the "window" at the top and thought they looked like those hidden image picture you had to look at cross eyed to see the picture. After tying that for a while I figured the dots are too big. Then I thought they look like those pictures you had to use a red film to see the true picture/message. Maybe 3D glasses. (blue/red) Has anyone tried this? (Google "hidden picture red filter" if you don't know what I'm talking about.)

Found almost an exact match to the window panes. The russian orthodox cathedral of transfiguration of our lord in Brooklyn. Wish I could post a pic.

I’ll post this again because someone took it down: at C5 in the middle of the gull’s chest is a keystone shape with a typeface B at the center. Could this be the Isle of B from verse 10?

B laying on its back?

Trying to see what you're referring to. Do you need to look at the picture upside down in order to see the letter 'B' in it proper orientation?

The B is just about mid bird,p. A ref point, draw a line down from where the inner wing crosses the arc. To see as a proper B rotate 90 to the right.

Hmmm. I see that one now, thanks. Oddly, I also see a completely different one - made of some of the same lines - in the same spot. If the image is upside down. Stranger still, looks like a 'P just left and slightly higher. PB? = BP? = Byron Preiss? Or I'm chasing phantoms. Not sure what to make of it.

Sorry, I do another B but not the P

Again, don't know if this is really here. But this is what I was referring to.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/126041210/PB.png

Yep

Hi Kang, I added a photo to the files, sorry I can’t name photos. Anyway I highlighted a second 3 in the wing. No idea why 33

@JulieM Saw the file you posted. Yes, I think you're right about that one - I noticed that too a while back. Though the 'number' is Definitely 11- There seem to be 3's all over this puzzle. The 3 water droplets, 3 'bubbled' upper panels, 3 Vols (in the verse). There are at least 2 more you can (arguably) find if you flip the flower upside down and zoom in. I believe it's important.

Inverted and saw, also noticed the Y or tuning fork in the mum

I believe there is a 35 on her chest just above the curve on her dress.

could the "74" in the water be a reference to the Step Street on 74th? The steps do run east and west. Also there are 36 steps that I can possibly tell from Google maps. Maybe its really 22 steps (double the clock) up and then north to the isle of B. also when your at the base of the steps the left side is red brick and the right side is "whiteish" stone.

OK... I have finally gotten around to taking a better look at this image, and the lack of everything is disturbing me.
Also, the detail and warp of the water is disturbing me as well.
I am thinking it may be ananaorphosis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphosis for anyone interested.
I haven't been able to work it yet, so I may be wrong. One thing is for certain... you will need a solid image for it, not an on-screen one, as the angles required won't allow an image ot be formed on a screen. Some photoshoping may be able to replicate the effect, but you're better off printing it and looking.
This technique has been used since the Rennaisance, and was popular in the 1970's and 80's. So it fits the bill for a possibility.
I see two possible kinds: Perspective in the dress (view it from the bottom of the page, looking above the sash at the wait, and on the left you can see a possible set of letters. I can't make it out, so I might be completely wrong here! It would account for the odd folds in the clothing, especilly on the right sleeve. May also need to look upside down???
The second kind I can see a possibility of is a cylindrical one in the water at the bottom. It may require putting a cylindrical mirror/ reflector somewhere around the point where the wave is breaking in the middle of the page. The curve lines at the bottom of the page could correct themselves if it's placed right. I can see an N, A and possible a P. The same may work for the blue section on the face of the wave. It would possibly require the right sized mirror/reflector to get the correct distortion correction.
I am on the hunt for some shiny things! If anyone finds something there, please post!!!

So no one has posted here in years, and I am not from the New York area, so here me out. The gray giant is The Jersey Turnpike in Jersey. The slender path is Highway 78 which heads to New York. The journey leads to Black Tom Island. Obvious helicopter tours may have been in the area for the Statue of Liberty. There is a large parking lot. At the time in the 80's, there was a new grove of tree's being planted in a red soil. Check 1979 aerials on HistoricAerials.com. Those tree's are grown now and it is a shaded picnic area. To the NNE is Ellis Island. The towers of the building line up nicely to the spires in the painting. The blue area of the painting that has the spires has a circular dot that appears to circle a portion of Black Tom Island. Several V junctions exist that 22 steps could be counted from. How the park (former man made island) relates to Indies Native is yet to be determined. If anyone has that connection to the history of Black Tom Island, please respond with it here. Also, if you visit the park and do some recon/probing/gpr, let us know the results here as well. Thanks

To be honest, the painting with the Spires is most telling. You can even see Cavens point behind Black Tom Island, and a speck in the blue area east of the "island" that would be the location of Ellis Island. But, the large circle on Black Tom island is most prominent in the painting.

Could the bird be a representation of the birds on top of some lampposts in Green Bowling Park? It would be interesting to see close up pictures of these birds and see if they are a match. From Google Maps there are no clear pictures but it may appear that birds are different on each lamppost. If a lamppost bird is a close match to the image's bird, it could be the wow moment. Can anyone go there and share some pictures?

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Hello fellow searchers! I haven't been involved in the search for the casque in New York, mostly concentrating on the San Francisco search. But me and my lovely wife (a NYC native) have what we think is a dead on solution for the New York puzzle. It's not a conventional or a consensus solution though, so if you trust the current solutions are correct and just need a bit more luck to find the casque, then our solution is not for you. Note we are using the images and the poems just like Preiss wrote them, nothing wacky or out of the ordinary, just a different base assumption. Every item in the verse and most of the items in the image fall perfectly in line. So if you would like to do some field work and join us in this solution, just drop me a line. We're out in San Francisco, and won't be going to NYC any time soon, so we need some local help. Cheers!

The folds in the dress at G6 are very similar to the sculpting above the doors of Trinity Church NYC, in fact the general pose of the figure in image 12 is similar too.
https://citybeautifulblog.com/2021/01/08/trinity-church-on-wall-street-since-17th-century/#jp-carousel-3497

Very interesting. I see the similarity in the folds in the lower right portion. The location of the church also fits with the area the puzzle seems to be leading us. BTW, I agree with your “grey giant” assessment from your previous comment.

Thanks Jim B, and of course Trinity Church is the resting place of Alexander Hamilton.
I also think that Brooklyn could be a good location possibility too:
The woman’s dress is a match for Manhattan and I think that the three water droplets and the jewel below her dress (J5-7 & K6-7) represent the other four boroughs of NYC. The jewel appears to be the second largest in size and Brooklyn is the second largest of the boroughs. Manhattan has been depicted as the giant and the jewel is in its shadow – like Brooklyn is overshadowed by Manhattan, figuratively speaking. Brooklyn connections – Fort Hamilton, George Gershwin (“Rhapsodic Man” – Russian/Jewish), Isaac Asimov (“him of Hard word in 3 Vols” – writer of Hard science fiction and author of the “Foundation” Trilogy– Russian/Jewish), Byron Preiss himself, the ‘rampant lion’ in the water spray at M4 is a good connection to the motif on the Lyon Court building at 450 95th Street in Brooklyn just below the roofline as mentioned already and the building outline at D5 is a good match for the Russian Orthodox Cathedral of the Transfiguration of Our Lord in Brooklyn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Cathedral_of_the_Transfiguration_of_Our_Lord

Limey, as someone who subscribed to to the Asimov magazine back in the day, I like the idea that him of Hard word could be Asimov. That being said, he was alive and well when the verse was written, so not sure PB would have used him in a clue.
Also, one of the most famous lions in NYC are the Patience Lions in front of the main library. https://www.nypl.org/help/about-nypl/library-lions They’re in Manhattan (not Brooklyn) but on the way there from the Intrepid.

Yes Jim B, the fact that Asimov was alive at the time I thought could be a clue that “… still speak” is referring to a person still alive. I think that the NYC Public Library lions, or one of them, is a close likeness to the lion face in the sash when the half face is mirrored to make a complete face as in the “Image Matches” section above, and yes good point, on the way from Intrepid, on 5th Avenue.
The other lion shape in the water spray at M4 is very close to the Lyon Court roof line repeated motif as, again, already observed in the “Images Matches” section above.
Also, the Hamilton coat of arms features a rampant lion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_family#:~:text=The%20Hamiltons%20of%20Grange%20descended%20from%20Walter%20de,III%20of%20Scotland%20given%20between%201390%20and%201406.

When the image is flipped sideways and rotated 180 degrees, the shadow on her sleeve at F5 is a close representation of Roosevelt Island. The Roosevelt Island Bridge could be the “arm that
Extends over the slender path” (East River Channel) connecting the Island to Queens Borough, and is a vertical lift bridge which could be the “whirring sound” when it’s rising. Also the island side of the bridge gives direct access to the Motorgate Parking Garage where “Cars abound”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Island_Bridge

Image uploaded comparing the sleeve shadow and Roosevelt Island.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/150898407/sleeve_F5.jpeg

The shape of the wave near the bottom right of the image at M7-8 looks like one of the Bison in a diorama in The American Museum of Natural History NYC. Not sure if it was an exhibit in the early 80’s.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/151016778/image12_bison.jpg

While looking back at old threads for Image12, I came across this post on the Q4T site from ‘varin’ who sees a whale in the water on the left side, and I see it too. http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/153496044/image12_whale_image_in_sea.jpg
Were whales common in NY harbour back then? (it seems have them now), or at the NY aquarium (or a mural there?), I know that the John J. Carty Park had a kids one but later on, or maybe it’s a reference to the old Whale Oil Petroleum Company in Whale Square Brooklyn.
A possible connection I make is to Herman Melville for his novel “The Whale” (or “Moby Dick”). The book was first published in the UK in 1851 in 3 volumes, and also he was quoted as saying “A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things”.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/153496047/the-whale-melville_3_vols.jpg
I thought I’d found the letters of his name in the lines “The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”, (which seems like a cryptic crossword type clue) but it’s missing an ‘M’!

‘Hamilton’ fits in though - The Federalist Papers 1st printed under the pseudonym ‘Publius’ (hard word – Latin?), the 1st 77 essays printed in 3 different newspapers (Vols.?) and then later in two volumes and then the last 8 essays in the New York papers (3rd vol.).
If the Japanese “Chicken” hint is to be believed as correct and not misunderstood in translation, then I’m thinking it’s got to be Dickens (studied by the native students at a nearby high school).

Sorry, 1st comment should read "I came across a post on the Q4T site..."

The window panels behind the bird at grid reference B5/C5 are a pretty close colour match to the R15 NYC subway car livery. These ran until the mid 80’s - http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/153552261/R15_NYC_train.jpg
and see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R15_(New_York_City_Subway_car)
There’s been one in the New York Transit Museum in Brooklyn since 1976.

I think that ‘Liberty’s’ right sleeve is the key and location marker. The unusual shadow under her nose looks like a pointer pointing to the sleeve. http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/153612699/image12_casque_location_marker_resized.jpg
See my full solve on the Verse 10 page.

A question – why is the Topaz jewel blue in Image 12?
Why didn’t BP or JJP make it orange?
As The Litany of the Jewels states - “A Topaz is the Russian prize: The royal sunstone, frozen fire”.
Sounds ‘orangey’ to me, see:
https://www.gemselect.com/gem-info/imperial-topaz/imperial-topaz-info.php
And I know you can get blue Topaz but it looks remarkably like the jewel in Image 10 which if the German connection is correct should be a purple Amethyst, which may have been discoloured in printing, but not the Topaz. All the other paintings seem to have correct coloured jewels.
Just seems strange to me.

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