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Image 10

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General notes on Image 10

 

 

Image 10

 

Specific Observations

  Please record your notes about this image in the list below.  Use the letter/number grid to identify the point on the image that you're describing.  To keep things organized, 1) please start each observation with a letter/number combo (in bold), and 2) add new observations in the right place on the list to keep everything alphabetized.

  • C7 - The outline of "castle" on the rock is almost a perfect match for the Milwaukee City Hall as seen from the corner of E. State Street and N. Water Street.
  • G5 - The flower is a primrose, the birth flower for February.
  • H7 - The shape of the millstone (small square in the middle of a circle) is similar to the shape in the flag on Image 6.
  • H7/8 - There appears to be a faint image of a cicada nymph beside the millstone (see below).
  • I2 - The antique key is similar to the keys in Image 3.  (And a key, of course, is what was actually buried in the casque.)
  • I5 - The unusual arrangement of the hair beside the juggler's forehead is almost certainly a visual reference to Laureate (see below).
  • J6 - The jewel is an amethyst, the birth stone for February.
  • K2 & L3 - The two matching red balls could represent the balls used in lawn bowling.  They could also be the two large circles visible in the bridge that passes over E. Ravine Road in Lake Park, just north of the Grand Staircase. 
  • K4 - The pattern on the juggler's collar matches a kind of brickwork found around the city (see below).
  • L6-7 - The pattern in the cloak looks like birch tree trunks, turned sideways. 
  • P1/2 - The outline is a visual match for the Lake Michigan shoreline of Wisconsin (see below). 
  • P2 - "JJP," the initials of the artist, John Jude Palencar.

 

 

Other Notes:

  • The millstone, the cane, and the key may form a rebus that we are meant to put together: mill + walk + key = Milwaukee.
  • Based solely on Image 10, the most logical search locations would be Pere Marquette Park and Juneau Park.  However, the specificity of Verse 8 has focused the search on Lake Park.
  • The Milwaukee County website has a good collection of historical aerial photographs, including some from the 1980's.
  • Here is a photo of what Pere Marquette Park looked like when it was created in the early 1970's: 

 

 

Image Matches

Many of the shapes hidden in Image 10 are visual allusions to the most famous and iconic landmarks in Milwaukee, but a few of the images seem to point (more subtly) to the actual treasure spot.  The table below attempts to narrow down the clues from city-level to site-level.

Milwaukee City Hall

The picture at the far right was taken from the northeast corner of Water & Kilbourn. To get a perfect match with the illustration, one would need to be standing one block further north at the intersection of N. Water Street and E. State Street.  At that location, with City Hall in the background, the juggler would be looking west (along State Street) toward Pere Marquette Park.

   

Juneau Pose

Some people believe that the posture of the juggler is meant to resemble the posture of Solomon Juneau in the bronze relief on the Juneau Monument in Juneau Park.

  Juneau-closeup

Laureate

The hair pattern above the juggler's forehead appears to be a very strong match for Laureate, a public sculpture directly across the Milwaukee River from Pere Marquette Park. The straight lines just below that could form a "Wi," indicating Wisconsin.

Brick Pattern #1

The pattern on the juggler's collar matches the pattern of the brickwork behind the Wisconsin Club (the former Mitchell Mansion) at 900 W. Wisconsin Avenue.  (This is, however, a very common pattern.  You can buy the same bricks at Home Depot.)

   

Brick Pattern #2

The pattern on the juggler's collar ALSO matches the pattern of the brickwork on the parking garage on E. Wells between Cathedral Square and the Pabst Theater.  (Google Maps view)

 

The Red Balls

The two red balls in the juggler's hands are likely to be significant.  Under Interpretation 2A on the Verse 8 page, the balls would represent either the balls used in lawn bowling or the two large, circular holes in the Lake Park Footbridge. (Note the "millstone" at the bottom of the picture by the base of the tree.)

 

Under Interpretation 2B on the Verse 8 page, the balls could represent the red spheres used to mark tee areas on some golf courses.  Similar markers may have been used on the Lake Park golf course in 1981.

Red tees

Cicada

In the brown background beside the millstone there is a shape that strongly resembles a cicada nymph.  Cicadas are often (incorrectly) called "locusts," so this could be a hint towards Locust Avenue or a locust tree.  Locust Avenue runs into Lake Park north of the Grand Staircase and there is a Locust Street Ravine Trail.  This, again, would work with Interpretation 2A on the Verse 8 page, which sends us on the Locust Street Ravine Trail.

Cicada, shell, upper marlboro, md_2014-07-10-19.57.12 ZS PMax

Millstone

The millstone floating in the air by the juggler is part of a hint to the name of the city ("mill" + "walk" + "key").  It may also be a visual reference to the large concrete disk located at the foot of the Locust Street Ravine Trail where it meets Lincoln Memorial Drive.

Expedition Unknown

  In early 2018, a Travel Channel show called "Expedition Unknown" featured an episode about The Secret.  The episode included a flashback scene showing what it would have been like for Palencar to receive the Polaroid photos of the casque spots from Preiss. 

  One of the photos used in that scene showed the manhole/millstone from the Milwaukee location.  But this doesn't actually help at all with the solution because the photos were actually taken by John Michaels of the Shhh! Secret Podcast, and were used with his permission in the TV Show.   Palencar has already stated that he destroyed the materials sent by Preiss after the paintings were finished.

Cape Folds

One of the most perplexing parts of the image is the design on the interior of the man's cape.  The design is large and centrally located.  We are meant to notice it and it obviously has some significance.  But what?

People have seen fingers, faces, teeth, and other things in the folds, but no one has explained how they would relate to the puzzle.

 

  One possibility is that the white folds actually represent birch tree trunks.  If we rotate the image 90 degrees counter-clockwise, we see five pale cylinders with black and white bands.

 

  Birch tree trunks have white bark that often peels off to leave dark bands.  (See photo at far right taken beside the Lake Park Footbridge.)  And birches often grow together in clumps, so that the upper portions are spreading apart.

 

  Verse 8 specifically tells us to look for birch trees and tells us that we should be looking for a "proud, tall fifth."  If the folds in the cape are birch trees, the most distant one is the center one that is standing straight (and "proud").

 

  Here is a view of Ravine Road taken sometime between 1975 and 1979.  Note that this view is from uphill (west of the footbridge) and is looking downhill (eastwards) to where the road curves to the right before meeting Lincoln Drive.  The handrail of the Locust Street Ravine Trail is visible as a horizontal black line to the left of the road that stretches from the slope in the foreground to near the middle of the picture.  Just where the handrail goes out of sight there is a "V" formed by two tree trunks, but the trees beyond that are obscured in this picture by the snow-covered bushes.  Slightly more detail is available in the full-sized image.

 

  If the proposed Image 10 Verse 8 Solution is correct, this would explain why no one has ever found a match for the folds in the cape.  Preiss intended for us to cross the bridge, go down to the Locust Street Ravine Trail, and then descend toward the birch trees.  We should have had an "aha moment" when we saw the alignment of the five tree trunks matching the folds in the cape.  But those trees were all cut down sometime in the past!  All we have left are the stumps, and that's why no one has made the connection.

 

 

Latitude / Longitude Hints

  There do not appear to be any hints to latitude or longitude in Image 10.

 

 

 

Questions, questions, questions...

  • Has Laureate always been in the same spot where it is now?
  • What did Pere Marquette Park look like in 1980?

 


 

How to obtain permission for attempted recovery

 

Assumptions: Final location within a park in Milwaukee County, including Lake Park 

 

Process Status: Confirmed by Wiki user

Contact info Status: Confirmed by Wiki user

As of Date: 3/10/2018

 

A Wiki user who contacted Parks Department officials seems to have confirmed that a Geocache permit is not the proper process so is a time waster. http://county.milwaukee.gov/Geocaching21582.htm - This appears to confirm that the permit here is for someone wanting to leave a Geocache. The Park does not allow and will not approve requests for recovery for a buried Geocache – and that all such activities must conform to a “Leave No Trace” policy.

 

The same user obtained information that a Right of Entry permit is what is needed. 

 

Contact information:

Name: Guy Smith 

Title: Parks Director (Interim)

Email: ParksDirector@milwaukeecountywi.gov

Please note that there are likely gatekeepers for access to the Parks Director so you may have better luck a little further down the chain.

 

Milwaukee County Parks

9480 Watertown Plank Road, Wauwatosa, WI 53226

Main Phone: 414-257-PARK (7275)

 

Requirements document for Milwaukee County Parks Right of Entry dig permit

http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/124445423/Milwaukee%20Parks%20ROE%20Requirements.pdf

 

Alternate Contact info: 

Sarah Toomsen

Manager of Planning & Development

T: 414-257-7389

Sarah.Toomsen@milwaukeecountywi.gov

 

Permissions Process:

According to an email from Sarah Toomsen provided by a Wiki user: “...by ordinance it is required that any excavation taking place within a Milwaukee County Park be permitted by the Parks Director via a right-of-entry permit.  Review of such requests provided by Parks staff, with final authorization granted by the Parks Director or his/her designee.… I can also let you know that permit requests of this type typically have an associated fee of $1,000 that covers administrative time, as well as costs to hotline the private utilities that may be on site.  Additionally, previous requests related to The Secret have come with the stipulation that any artifacts or materials uncovered during the investigation shall be considered the property of Milwaukee County, and be turned over to staff.”

 

So be prepared that there are significant hurdles, cost (and even insurance needed) in order to have any realistic hope of gaining official approval for attempted recovery – and they expect to keep whatever is found.

 


 

 

Comments (49)

Guardian said

at 2:39 pm on Dec 29, 2015

I was researching this image today, and I discovered the neckline (J4) is an exact match for the southern half of Lake Winnebago. Confirmation this is Milwaukee, which is within driving distance.

Guardian said

at 2:59 pm on Dec 29, 2015

I think the marks in the objects in the cloak at L6-7 may be the coordinates, if you count them. Milwaukee is at 43N/88W, and it looks like that could be a count of 8, 4, 3, and 8 going upward.

spacemunkay said

at 2:35 pm on Dec 7, 2016

I can't help but see a bunch of numbers in the scratches of H7/H8, see http://i.imgur.com/vGfQEXj.gif for possible interpretations. Also, possibly some numbers in the fudged squares at K3, see: http://i.imgur.com/n2twy19.png Keep in mind that I've stared at this long enough that I'm considering self-admitting myself to an institution. But after stepping away for a bit, I think I confidently see an 88 and a 44.

Marie said

at 7:34 pm on Jun 16, 2017

An answer to your question: Yes, Laureate has always been in the same place since it was commissioned in 1969. It was commissioned to enhance the beauty of the Performing Arts Center (now the Marcus Performing Arts Center), and has always been between the back of the center and the river. Across the river you can see Pere Marquette Park. I have seen a few forums claiming that Laureate is IN Pere Marquette Park. This is false. I confirmed today. Photos at milwaukeesecretreasurehunt.blogspot.com

bestauntie said

at 5:55 pm on Jun 21, 2017

The object in the coat looks like cigars to me. Is there anything to do with cigars or smoking in the area?

Guardian said

at 10:40 pm on Jun 21, 2017

Even if those are birches, I still think the "rings" in the trunks are coordinates (see my above comment) if you count them.

Dane said

at 6:33 am on Nov 19, 2017

I was doing some digging tonight and found this site documenting the entire history of the lake park ravine footbridge. I really think this link will lead to the casque's discovery. https://ravineroadbridge.weebly.com/background.html If you review the documents under "Reports About Ravine Road Bridge & Lake Park" you'll notice the first link in the section is a report containing a photo of the bridge in 1985 and other relevant info. A few sources down I found reference to "1915 harp lumineries" added to the park in 1977 but cannot find an image. I am sure this is the woman silently playing. I have yet to review all of the info, but felt the need to share due to the potential gravity of the find. http://tinypic.com/r/335cdfo/9
http://tinypic.com/r/10oqgxk/9

JUD_SUB_ROSA said

at 2:32 am on Nov 20, 2017

From website below, page 3, "The old incandescent streetlights within the district add much to its character. Called Milwaukee Harp Luminaries, and first introduced in 1915, their design provided a transitional bridge between the traditional gas light or carbon arc unit and the tungsten filament incandescent light."

http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/cityHPC/DesignatedReports/vticnf/HDNoPointSouth.pdf

Marie said

at 7:46 pm on Jan 17, 2018

The Milwaukee Harp Luminaries are pre-Preiss, but I haven't been able to confirm if the square and compass symbol on the lamp posts are pre-Preiss. I've been to the Milwaukee Historical Society twice, and no one seems to know. I have a few other leads/theories that I have been pursuing...

JLinMKE said

at 8:11 pm on Jan 17, 2018

There is an older light post missing the luminary that is located in the park, it's kinda tilted and at the edge of a hill to the north of the footbridge by a wooden rail fence. I took a look at it a few years back and did not recall seeing the compass symbol on it. Also, the ones with the compass were installed in 1991. There is a casting underneath the light that says:
Milwaukee Harp Lite
Amerilite
1916-75th-1991

Oregonian said

at 8:16 pm on Jan 17, 2018

I'm not sure what you mean by a "casting." Do you have a photo?

JLinMKE said

at 10:17 pm on Jan 17, 2018

http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123074109/Harplight.JPG . This is on the light just south of the footbridge.

Oregonian said

at 10:40 pm on Jan 17, 2018

Great! Thanks for getting the photo up so quickly. The logo you're talking about is on the lamp itself, which is sold separately from the pole. (For an example of one company that sells Milwaukee Harp Lights, see this: https://www.tapconet.com/streetscape-division/milwaukee-harp-light )

There are a few things I think we can say about the lamp posts in Lake Park. First, there have probably been lamp posts there at the top of the Grand Staircase ever since it was constructed. Second, most major cities have replaced their street lights since 1980 to take advantage of the more energy-efficient lighting systems that have been developed since then. So it's no surprise that the lights at the top of the stairwell in Lake Park would be new. But third, there's no reason to think the city would spend extra money to replace the lamp post at the same time they replaced the lights, particularly if they were trying to preserve the historic character of an area. All in all, in the absence of any solid evidence, I think there's a strong likelihood that the compass posts at the top of the stairwell are the same ones that were there in 1980.

Wendy said

at 8:40 am on Jan 18, 2018

RE: As you walk the beating world. I believe that's referring to the fact that in the 80's, Lincoln Memorial Drive/Bradford Beach was a popular cruising area with hundreds of cars and thousands of people converging in the area. In summer; teens and early 20 yr. olds from all over neighboring suburbs, cities and even neighboring states, would drive up and down Lincoln Memorial Drive in their cars, with windows down and music blaring. Those who didn't have cars or just wanted to be "seen" would walk Lncoln Memorial Drive, carrying large boom boxes (which were popular at the time) playing loud music and walking to the beat of the music. Also, Milwaukee has Summerfest which is known as "The World's Largest Music Festival". Lincoln Memorial Drive borders the Summerfest grounds, which is now known as Henry Maier Festival Park. During the duration of Summerfest; it was very popular to walk Lincoln Memorial Drive, between Lake Park ( Bradford Beach) and Summerfest. Hence, "as you walk the beating world".

Wendy said

at 9:42 am on Jan 18, 2018

Correction: The above comment should say that in the late 70's/early 80's, Lincoln Memorial Drive/Bradford Beach was a popular cruising area.....

Wendy said

at 11:17 am on Jan 18, 2018

I don't believe that the red spheres in the picture are a reference to lawn bowling for this specific reason: Rules of lawn bowling required all lawn balls to be either brown or black only up until 2001. It's highly unlikely that the red spheres are lawn balls. It's very possible that the red spheres could be a nod to the golf course, as red tee markers were used but they were mainly reserved and used for women only. Many golf courses didn't allow women to play on them. I don't know if Lake Park was one of them, but Milwaukee has never been a progressive city, so I wouldn't think that women were allowed to use the golf course. That leads to the possibility that at around the time the treasures were buried, it's very likely due to the strong "women's movement" at the time, that women were finally being allowed to play on the same course as men. That would have been a big deal in Milwaukee at the time. OR, my personal thought is that the 2 red spheres is actually a reference to bridge lights. This seems most likely to me, considering the fact that there's a marina and a lighthouse right there, not to mention the 2 Lion Bridges directly in the park itself. Two red lights signal that the channel is narrower than the actual bridge opening. And the lion bridges are very narrow. They were reduced to only 10 feet wide from 50 feet wide. http://worldwidemarinetraining.com/blog/understanding-bridge-lights/

Oregonian said

at 5:47 pm on Jan 18, 2018

"I don't believe that the red spheres in the picture are a reference to lawn bowling for this specific reason: Rules of lawn bowling required all lawn balls to be either brown or black only up until 2001."

This doesn't strike me as much of an obstacle. There are a lot of different "bowling-type" sports that involve rolling colored balls across a field of grass, and the lawns at Lake Park were probably used for more than just lawn bowling. People may have been playing boules or bocce when Preiss passed by that day and snapped his picture. Maybe one of those games fit in better anyway with this puzzle's theme of German immigration. (Or maybe Preiss didn't even realize that there was a difference between boules and bocce and lawn bowling. Lord knows, I wouldn't have.)

Here's a video of a 1982 British Crown Green Bowls tournament where they are rolling red and blue balls across a lawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hI8xsV04U0

ohowsherocks said

at 4:14 pm on Feb 25, 2018

Just any FYI the blocks in "Brick Pattern #2" picture were mass produced. My grandmother had the same ones under her trailer in Florida. She probably got them from K-Mart. (No Home Depot then.)

Knox said

at 2:58 pm on Mar 9, 2018

I noticed on EU the Millstone'esque photo is loaded here and maybe that's a clue for someone to use for their search. its when Josh Gates is talking to JJP

KyloDen said

at 2:07 pm on Mar 23, 2018

My problem with the “millstone” solution is that if one takes the other clues before it (walking up kenwood, then down Lincoln to the stairs, you will walk right past it. Why would Preiss have had you go up the stairs only to go back down to a location you could have gotten to without going up past the Pavillion (it didn’t become the Bistro until the mid 90s).

I will also say that I think the rd balls are a nod to the tee markers of the golf course, not lawn bowling. The golf course is a pitch and putt and as such does not have men’s and ladies tee markers. There is only one set and they are all red. I played the course a couple times a week from May until October while I was in college at UWM. I can also confirm that at the time (the mid to late 80s) the lawn bowling club did not use red balls. I can also confirm that the lawn bowling greens were ONLY used for lawn bowling. The club was very protective of the greens and people were prohibited from being on them unless there was League play or a tournament going on.

Guardian said

at 12:20 am on Mar 24, 2018

He wants us to approach it from a certain direction.

Oregonian said

at 9:20 am on Mar 24, 2018

Haven't you ever seen a treasure map before? Check out some examples: https://www.google.com/search?q=treasure+hunt+map&source=lnms&tbm=isch

They ALWAYS take the reader on wild, looping, indirect paths. That's the whole point. It's not like Google Maps, where the goal is to get to the destination by the shortest possible route. You ask why Preiss would lead us up the stairs and then back down the trail, but you might as well ask why he would start us on the UWM campus. After all, he could have just said "Go to the bottom of East Ravine Road." Once he made the decision to start somewhere else and lead us on a path of puzzles and riddles then, of course, the resulting route would be winding and impractical.

I don't see much of a problem with the lawn bowling either. When Preiss passed by, the lawn might not even have been in use, and a Polaroid of a flat, green lawn isn't much of a clue. He probably told Palencar to include a visual reference to lawn bowling and Palencar looked in a library book and found pictures of people bowling red balls. (It's not very likely that he would have called Lake Park to double-check.) The fact that both balls are being used by the hands - held and tossed - would seem to tip the balance very strongly toward lawn bowling.

Lori Sobota said

at 9:58 am on Mar 24, 2018

If you think about the Cleveland site, that's true also. He could have had us just walk up the stairs from MLK Blvd ("beneath two countries") and it would take you right up to the back of the planter. But instead he had you go around the curve and up the hill to East Blvd., find the columns, the inscriptions.. then you had to go around to the back of the wall to find the planter (but there's no clue for that) climb up into the planter and finally to the end. But the verse is scrambled a little too, the instructions for the specific location is placed in the middle of the verse.

Odeyin said

at 9:19 pm on Apr 6, 2018

Right Below the Jewel and slightly to the right is a bunch of faintish white lines in the cape... It has the same outline as the Linnwood Water Treatment Plant. (with the pointed roof as well...)

as shown here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/44%C2%B059'12.3%22N+93%C2%B015'27.1%22W/@43.0724285,-87.8669937,100a,35y,89.52h,45.02t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d44.98675!4d-93.257528?hl=en

Mister EZ said

at 11:08 am on Apr 7, 2018

That dropped pin is located in......Minneapolis...??
(Wrong spot for this image.)

Mister EZ said

at 11:13 am on Apr 7, 2018

Linnwood Water Treatment Plant
3000 N Lincoln Memorial Dr, Milwaukee, WI 53211

https://goo.gl/maps/pJWLsAwvW812

Let's see if that one works (even though I don't see the match).

Odeyin said

at 4:11 pm on Apr 7, 2018

That is wierd...you are right though..the pin was in the wrong spot, but the image was correct. Here is the corrected one as well. I uploaded a picture to show what I am talking about. Hopefully that helps.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0724405,-87.8672389,125a,35y,89.52h,44.88t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Mister EZ said

at 11:22 am on Apr 8, 2018

Not sure that the lines as you've outline them are a close enough match to the features of the building(s) when viewed from the front of the facility. But, if anyone is open to the idea that the locust in the image and its placement with relation to the millstone in the image closely matches the actual orientation of Locust Ravine Trail and the stone storm drain in the park, close to LMD.....then, those lines would be in the approximate location of the Linwood Plant.

Or, rotate image 10 counterclockwise 90°, which some say makes that area of the cloak look like a group of trees.

I'm open to either possibility.

GeekSpeak said

at 10:50 pm on Oct 30, 2018

Added some geospheres in Google Maps to Juneau Park, looking to add some more soon and will include some from Lake Park.

GeekSpeak said

at 10:18 am on Mar 5, 2019

Using a new handle to differentiate names and avoid confusion.

GeekSpeak said

at 5:17 pm on Mar 1, 2019

Compiled a picture with a good vantage point for the images in Image 10. The tree s probably whishful thinking, but the other images are pretty solid.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vqVTbjtgsevvcnaB8

GeekSpeak said

at 1:31 am on Mar 5, 2019

Immediately to the west of Pete Marquette is Old world 3rd street, aligning with beating of the world reference.

GeekSpeak said

at 1:51 am on Mar 5, 2019

I suspect “ as you walk the beating of the world” is out of sequence. The three that lived there and a woman playing harpsichord are intended to get you to Old World 3rd street.

GeekSpeak said

at 2:13 am on Mar 5, 2019

Drumming of the world can simply be footsteps. It is a definition of “drumming” in the dictionary which was eluded to the Japanese Hint.

GeekSpeak said

at 10:05 am on Mar 5, 2019

Scratch that reference, while verifying it appears “old world” wasn’t added to the street name until 1984.

GeekSpeak said

at 1:36 am on Mar 5, 2019

The Mitchell Building is about 5 Blocks SE, so well within bounds if Pere were the location.

GeekSpeak said

at 1:53 am on Mar 5, 2019

Pabst Theatre has a harp and gold/copper colors. I haven’t identified it but i’m Looking for a reference to copper or harpsichord. I understand a harp and harpsichord are 2 very different things, but I can’t help but feel that something is there as it is enroute to Pere Marquette and Preiss has made a lot of music references. Worth a good look.

GeekSpeak said

at 2:00 am on Mar 5, 2019

I’m particularly interested in the floral decorations on the Pabst Theater, they are copper color and 5 petal similar to the primrose, but the center doesn’t line up. Maybe there’s a flower on there somewhere that’s a match.

GeekSpeak said

at 1:44 am on Mar 5, 2019

The problem with the Lake Park proposed locations to me are 2 fold. The first being embankments. The other casques were on flat ground, easy to dig and partially hidden from the road. The ravine is steep making flat surface difficult to find. Second issue is the denisity; as in the locations in regard to trees and foliage. To try and bury a casque 3 feet down without hitting a major root would be a challenge. I suspect the casque would be buried in a relatively clear area. I say this is pronounced by the Chicago find where it was located away from the tree. Pere Marquette Park has very similar density.

GeekSpeak said

at 12:19 pm on Mar 5, 2019

I had a theory - Passing the Light House in Lake Park, Coming down the Light House Ravine, 100 Paces which went back to Lincoln Memorial Dr and went went south past 3 light posts (North put me back at the Grand Staircase). There was a retaining wall 5 steps high with a single Evergreen tree that I suspected could have been a "tall proud 5th". The location failed a couple of my parameters, but I investigated it anyway.

I discovered a pretty significant previous dig site: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1STQwveLtvo62qus9
Coordinates: 43°03'13.5"N 87°53'04.2"W (https://goo.gl/maps/PqVjrMx3dLH2)

GeekSpeak said

at 2:49 pm on Mar 5, 2019

I'm trying to decipher "Distance in Space" and "Distance in Time". I haven't seen any acceptable explanations and I feel it could be an important gap in knowledge. Distance in space seems easy enough - I expect some sort of measurement like miles, feet, etc. Distance in Time, would be something indicating an interval like a date or time span. I can't seem to identify either instances in the city. The Distance in Space is especially important as it tells us which park we are entering.

Why I feel this is important: Preiss is using these 2 verses to create vectors. A tail point (3 that lived there & Woman with Harpsicord) and then magnitude (terminate at Distance in Time/Space). I don't accept the current translation because it is giving us 2 references on a single vector. If Kenwood is the correct street, then the verse could simply say "At a Distance in Space from 3 who lived there" and this would give us the exact same vector for Lake Park. However; since Woman with harpsichord is specifically identified it would surely mean a correction in the vector, ie a turn.

If these 2 vectors intersect as I suspect they do, then we should be looking for a "Woman with Harpsicord" that also coincides with a Distance in Time. It's noted explicitly that she's "Silently Playing" so I assume she has passed. I feel its a very strong case for a monument with a Birth/Death date engraved on it. We might be passing through a cemetery or there's a obscure monument/marker that I'm not aware of.

Thoughts?

neal.day@outlook.com said

at 11:33 am on Jun 9, 2019

I found an interesting picture of Ravine Road that's from the mid to late 1970s. I'm not sure how to link to it, but I uploaded it to the Image 10 files section (Ravine Road (1975-1979).tif). I was really excited by it at first because it shows a whole bunch of birch trees. I'm a bit bummed though because the area was really sloped at that point in time and there's no trail under the bridge. Does anyone know when the trail under the bridge was put in?

Oregonian said

at 1:53 pm on Jun 9, 2019

Keep in mind that the image you posted is from uphill, west of the footbridge, looking eastwards down Ravine Road to where it curves to the right. So the Locust Street Ravine Trail is on the left side of the road. When I look at the image you posted, I can see the handrail of the trail as a horizontal black line stretching to the right, behind the lamp post. This confirms that the trail (and the lamp post) was there when Preiss visited.

Here's a corresponding perspective from Google Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/m4FCNc4BTHULpqVj6

neal.day@outlook.com said

at 9:02 am on Jun 10, 2019

Nice catch! One of the trees on the right side of the picture looked like a younger version of one in a picture I took from the other side of the bridge, so I assumed it was from LMD side. I see the handrail now too, which I'm glad to see because it confirms that the path was there when BP was in the park (there seemed to be some doubt in the forums about that).

I thought the same thing about the lamp post. It looks like the same kind of post that exists in the park today, so they must have just changed out the light fixtures back in 1991, not the whole post.

Oregonian said

at 9:22 am on Jun 10, 2019

When you look at the photo do you see the black "V" that I'm talking about? It's about 10 feet down the slope from where the handrail goes out of sight and it seems to be formed by two separate trees. The tree on the right makes a broad, smooth curve out to the road, while the tree on the left is more vertical and makes some S-bends as it goes up. (I call it the "snake tree.")

Both of those trees are gone now (as confirmed by Google Street View) but I bet they were the trees that we were supposed to see represented in the folds of the cape. And there seem to be some boards around the bases of them. (Maybe a bench?) Photos of that spot would be very useful.

Bigcatrich said

at 1:51 am on Oct 31, 2019

Laureate has always been in the spot it is currently in. It was commissioned to enhance the Marcus Center for the Performing Arts, and is located right behind the Center.

Linda S said

at 6:59 pm on Nov 15, 2019

so has anyone else noticed that there are 2 lions.. one on the north side and one on the south side.. have we checked the south lion south paw yet?

JLinMKE said

at 7:28 pm on Nov 15, 2019

There are 8 lions total. If you're interpereting the verse to take you south, you would already have passed the lions once you reach the foot of the culvert below the bridge.

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