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Verse 10

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General notes on Verse 10

This verse is thought to be linked to Image 12 and a casque in the New York metropolitan area.
Please note: The Image 12/Verse 10 combination contains several references to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island. Both sites are important historical landmarks where treasure hunting is completely prohibited. There is no chance that the New York casque is buried at either of these sites, and attempting a dig on either island would very likely result in serious criminal charges. Please don't even attempt it. The visual references to these two islands in Image 12 strongly suggest that one should see the islands on the way to an ultimate destination in a less sensitive spot somewhere on the perimeter of the New York harbor.

Interpretation

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Interpretation(s)

In the shadow

Of the grey giant

- The most obvious giant in the New York area would be the Statue of Liberty. In a literal sense, the shadow from the statue would not extend to any land other than Liberty Island. More figuratively, "in the shadow of" could mean "nearby" or "overshadowed by." Reasonable places might include any spot on the perimeter of New York Harbor.

New York Harbor, showing Upper New York Bay in red. Ellis Island (north) and Liberty Island (south) are shown in the northwest corner of the bay. (Illustration by Wikipedia user Decumanus, based on original public domain image courtesy of NASA.)

Find the arm that

Extends over the slender path

- The "slender path" could be a reference to The Narrows, the tidal strait separating Staten Island and Brooklyn. It is a slender (but very busy) path for all the ships that come in and out of New York Harbor. In this case, the arm extending over the path would be the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.

- The slender bridge that connects Ellis Island to Liberty State Park is not a possible solution because it was only constructed in 1985.

In summer

You'll often hear a whirring sound

- Several companies offer helicopter tours of the New York Harbor, which likely explains the "whirring sound." (The tours are presumably more common in the summer when the weather is good and there are more tourists.) The NYPD also operates a helicopter that flies over the harbor.

Aerial view of Ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, and the New York Harbor, taken from an NYPD helicopter by Victoria Belanger (on Flickr).

Cars abound

- Like any densely-populated metropolitan area, New York City has a huge number of cars crowding its streets, so it's possible that this line is just a broad confirmation of the urban location. But the lines above and below, about whirring sounds and nearby signs, are much more specific, narrowing our search down to a small portion of the city. It's therefore likely that this line is telling us to look for a place where cars really, really "abound," in more than the usual levels of New York City congestion.

- "Cars abound" on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. There is no major highway along the Staten Island side of the Narrows, but Shore Parkway runs along the western edge of Brooklyn, providing views of the Narrows and of the Statue of Liberty.

Although the sign

Nearby

Speaks of Indies native

The natives still speak

Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.

- "Indies native" is most likely a reference to Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the Leeward Islands in the British West Indies

- "Natives" could be a sly way of referring to students @ Fort Hamilton High School, Preiss' alma mater (Class of '68)

Take twice as many east steps as the hour

Or more

From the middle of one branch

Of the v

- This verse is linked to Image 12, so "the hour" would presumably be 11:00, the time shown on the clock in that picture.

- The "V" must be some ground-level feature found in the general area of Fort Hamilton HS. A walkway in front of FH HS formed the shape of a "V" (image from 1996), where you can clearly see two branches of the V.

- The instructions to take 22 steps "or more" are too vague to stand alone as the instructions for where to dig. If we reach this point in the puzzle and take the 22 steps, we will presumably see something in the area that will show us where to dig.

Look down

And see simple roots

In rhapsodic man's soil

- "Simple roots" could be interpreted as a young plant. If that interpretation is correct, the line probably refers to a newly-planted tree. (No other form of plant would be long-lasting enough to be a reliable landmark.)

- "Simple roots" could also be interpreted as "humble beginnings" and could be a reference to the aforementioned individual of whom "the natives still speak." Preiss seemed to like metaphors and double-meanings, so it's possible that this line refers to both a tree and an individual growing up in some spot on the margin of New York Harbor.

- "Rhapsodic man" may reference George Gershwin, who was born in Brooklyn, NY, and whose most famous composition is Rhapsody in Blue. Gershwin's parents emigrated from Russia, which would tie in with the Russian theme of this casque, but this may also refer to Preiss himself: the "simple roots in rhapsodic man's soil" may refer to Preiss' own humble beginnings at Fort Hamilton High School.

Or gaze north

Toward the isle of B.

- "Isle of B." is most likely a reference to "Bedloe's Island," an older name for what is now called Liberty Island (where the Statue of Liberty stands), which can be seen north of Fort Hamilton High School.

Other Notes:

The most solid clue in this verse is the guidance that we should "gaze north toward the isle of B." If "B" is the name of the island (rather than the name of some famous resident), there are only two strong possibilities: Liberty Island (formerly Bedloe's Island) or Belmont Island.
Gazing north toward the Statue of Liberty, would mean that one is standing in the vicinity of The Narrows in either Staten Island or Brooklyn. Gazing north toward Belmont Island would mean that one is standing in Brooklyn in the vicinity of Williamsburg. In the former case, the "slender path" would be The Narrows. In the latter, it would be the East River.
The interpretation on this page hints broadly toward one solution that is being actively pursued by a group in New York.

Comments (108)

If it is towards Belmont Island then my guess is if you are looking down from the middle of the manhattan bridge or the Williamsburg, in the direction of North, you will see parks and baseball fields and whatnot.

Also this land was owned by The Corlear family in the 17th century which were part of a dutch colony in the east indies.

If looking from the brooklyn bridge, given in one of the notes, it would be looking down on brooklyn park.

Simple roots may mean Natural scenery, or so. There's my two cents.

So this is a bit of a stretch, but I think it kinda makes sense. First, we start at the Chrysler Building, the grey giant. Then we look toward Roosevelt Island and, more importantly, the Roosevelt Island Tram Station. This would explain the whirring sound and the cars abound would be cable cars. The arm over the narrow path would be the Roosevelt Island Bridge or the Queensboro Bridge. I havn't done enough research on the Indies native, and I believe that the "V" may be something that you will see near the location. As for the simple roots in the rhapsodic man's soil, I have also not done enough research on that either; I just wanted to get this theory out to get people thinking about this from a different angle.

I'm new to this group, but I've had some thoughts on verse ten. I agree with the notes posted in the wiki, in that the casque is in the New York metropolitan area, however I think I might have found a different possible location. First of, the grey giant, in my mind reminds me of the Empire State Building. So, in Manhattan. With the whirring sounds and cars, that would be part of the city. I looked into Native American tribes that lived in Manhattan, and there is the Soho tribe, also the name of a part of Manhattan. This would explain the Indies Native and the signs speaking of them. Building off of the group's deductions about Hard Word, and Sir Walter Scott, I looked up any relations between him and Manhattan. There is a street in Soho called Waverly Place. This was named after something mentioned in a work of Sir Walter Scott. Along this road is Washington Square Park. In this park is an arch over the main entrance, and I think that this explains the arm extending over a slender path. I am not sure what the middle branch of the v is, but as for rhapsodic man's soil, I have a theory. This was, and still is, a popular location for street performers. During the beatnik movement, there were musical demonstrations street performers held in this park to combat the proposed ban on street performing in city parks. So, this park has some musical history. I am also not sure what the isle of b may be, but I do think that the rest of my theory is very plausible and I would like everyone to consider this. I would also like to point out that there was some renovation work done at this park, so if this is indeed the spot, then the location of the casque may have been compromised.

One ambiguity in the verse is that "native" can be an adjective or a noun. You seem to be thinking that "native" is an adjective and that "Indies native" is a reference to Native Americans. But why "Indies" instead of "indians"? Has anyone ever used that slang? And why would "Indies" be capitalized?

In working on The Secret, one basic rule is that the most straightforward interpretation is generally the best. If we've never heard of people called "Indies" but we do know of a place called the "West Indies," it's a much safer bet that "native" is meant to be a noun and that "Indies native" refers to a person (the native) from a place (the West Indies). So far, Alexander Hamilton is the only plausible "Indies native" that we've discovered.

i was thinking if someone could go to the Chrysler building or at the statue of liberty at 11:00 and literally walk 22 steps in the direction of the shadow. then there could be a possibility for the casque to be there. although it's a 5% chance. not to mention getting permission from the police to dig there.

In the shadow of the Chrysler building at 11:00 you will find Grand Central Terminal. Just before 11:00 the shadow points towards The Stephen A. Schwarzman Building better known as Main branch New York Public Library. It has books, the lion in the dress on the painting and arch windows.

Yea, but it's still a 5% chance the casque is there. it's more likely at Ellis Island, ans many of the clues suggest. It even shows on the webpage "The search for Casque 12 has now narrowed to the base of a single street tree near the edge of New York Harbor. It appears that the tree may have escaped the worst of Hurricane Sandy in 2012 and the casque may still be recoverable." and Ellis Island is on the New York Harbor.

I really have to jump in here and emphasize that there is NO chance - none, zip, nada, nil - that the casque is buried at either Ellis Island or Liberty Island. Preiss deliberately chose places where he could dig without attracting too much attention and where treasure-hunters could dig without doing too much damage. The two major historical landmarks in the New York harbor violate both of those criteria. The casque just isn't there an it would be awful if people started smuggling shovels onto Ellis Island to dig holes all over the place.

If Liberty Island is our "isle of B," look for a place south of there where someone could dig without attracting too much attention. Remember: cars abound.

so Im guessing Bay Ridge, cuz that seems to be the only NY thing that is below both islands. http://prntscr.com/8wx3sc

wait, but wouldn't that mean that almost everything about Ellis Island for this verse and image 12 would be invalid?

I don't know what you mean by "invalid" but The Secret is full of references that help identify a city but don't necessarily identify the burial spot. The Chicago casque wasn't buried by that building that had the circular decorations (the ones shown in the earring). No one seriously thinks that the San Francisco casque is buried at the Sutro Towers or that the Milwaukee casque is at City Hall. These references can all be useful (valid?) without designating the spot where you should dig.

Lastly for now the book mentions that then Dutch lowland dwarves and elves landed on an island surrounded by rivers cliffs and fresh streams. It also alludes to the Frugal Alven dwarves from the Netherlands being in dismay when their friends the "carnasie tribe" "carnasie is in Brooklyn" sold the island for 24beads. As It turns out in real life history is it said the Dutch (from the Netherlands) purchased the island of Manhattan from the Lenape tribe for 24beads. (plus other supplies) Interestingly enough the area of mattanhattan where we find the five points Columbus Park was originally inhabited by the Lenape and the Dutch first met them there. Because of this I believe we should rethink the ethic imagratory group we chose. I belive it Is Dutch or Netherlands and not Russia.

Found somethings on Ellis Island: http://prntscr.com/8r1uzr http://prntscr.com/8r1tu7 http://prntscr.com/8r1x3j

Those are great aerial shots! Very clear and detailed. Here's what I get out of each one of the three:

1) A parking lot with 50 cars would not match the description of "cars abound" in any place outside the most remote parts of Wyoming. In New York City it comes closer to matching "cars practically absent." And that, I'm sure, is the point. Preiss deliberately put in the "cars abound" line to rule out Liberty and Ellis Islands and steer us toward a place where people can actually drive.

2) The red strip appears to only be present on only one side of the ship channel at Ellis. Based on your photo, I think we can rule that out as a match for the "red doorway" in Image 12.

3) The verse tells us to "gaze north Toward the isle of B" and, as explained above, the "isle of B" could plausibly be either Ellis Island or Liberty Island. So, if we need to "gaze north" toward that island, we can't be on Ellis Island. And we can't be on Liberty Island because cars are completely absent there. So keep heading south and look for a place where one has a northwards view of those two islands from a spot where cars abound.

The reference to Hamilton is probably to "Fort Hamilton" just over the Verranzano-Narrows Bridge to the south in Brooklyn. Rhapsodic man's soil is Gershwin's soil which I think is also a reference to Brooklyn. Since there are two sides to the bridge he was implicit on which side we are on. The reference to Sir Walter Scott and the image of Scottish lion imply Scotland. John Paul Jones Park which is below the Verranzano-Narrows Bridge, and adjacent to Fort Hamilton, is named after the famous Scottish American Naval officer in the revolutionary war. John Paul Jones Park is also directly (and I mean directly!) south of Liberty and Ellis Island as far as longitude goes. The park also sits next to the water. This is consistent with the imagery of waves in the painting. In this interpretation Scott and Scotland are just a reference to the heritage of John Paul Jones.

Looking at this park, I feel that it would be a good place for Preiss to bury the treasure. It is consistent with all aspects of the verse. What I don't understand yet is how the Ishihara-Like imagery ties into this scenario. Maybe these dots give us clues to the exact spot? I am colorblind and I don't see any outstanding imagery in them.

Interesting! I had no idea that John Paul Jones was Scottish. (Have you read his Wikipedia page? That guy lived an amazing life!)

BUT... I see two big problems here:
1) How does this work with the "natives" still talking about him? Why would anyone in Brooklyn talk about Jones? (Or, to put it another way, why would they talk about him any more than the rest of us do?)
2) The instructions say to "gaze north / Toward the isle of B." John Paul Jones Park is tucked away under the "bulge" that pushes Brooklyn out into the harbor. There's no chance that you could see Liberty Island from there.

Perhaps 3 Vols. means 3 vowels. The natives speak of him in three vowels. John Paul Jones. Meaning they use his full name instead of just "Jones".

I think the reference to Hamilton is spot on, and it is too coincidental that the Verranzano-Narrows Bridge is adjacent to Fort Hamilton. You cannot see the bay from Fort Hamilton. If we are going by line of sight, then we have to eliminate all of the neighborhoods that are not within eyesight of the bay. The neighborhoods that match this criteria are many miles north of the bridge, and there is nothing that takes us from the bridge to the north side of Brooklyn in the verse. However, it does not say that you can see the island. It says to gaze north toward the island. Meaning the island is to the north. I think by the time we have gotten to Brooklyn from the fairy ride and a drive over the bridge, the author is not asking us to drive more miles northward, he is getting more specific with each verse. Meaning we are getting closer and closer to the casque. This guides us to smaller and more specific locations. I can't see making the journey away from Fort Hamilton. It feels like the treasure is very close to Fort Hamilton, and if the searcher was still on the bridge, they could gaze north to the bay.

"If we are going by line of sight, then we have to eliminate all of the neighborhoods that are not within eyesight of the bay."

Yep. That's the power of the clue.

"if the searcher was still on the bridge, they could gaze north to the bay"

Right, but there's no soil on the bridge and pedestrians aren't allowed there anyway. The verse makes it clear that when we reach the final burial spot we should be able to either look down and see roots or look up (northwards) and see the "isle of B." It doesn't have to be a straight line due north. I doubt Preiss carried a compass in his pocket. Anywhere from northwest to northeast should count as north. So, following that clue, you should be able to narrow down the possibilities quite a bit.

I needed a nap. I guess I had a lapse with the word "vowels", because that doesn't even make sense. I do however still feel that the JPJ Park is a candidate. NYC and the surrounding area is quite dense. Unlike the Houston casque where there are relatively few landmarks nearby to compare, there are hundreds in each NYC burrow. There could be hundreds within a square mile. I really think he meant due north, because any ambiguity here would lead to too many other candidates. Here is a google map on the VN bridge. JPJ park is directly below the bridge. We see simple roots of Rhapsodic man's soil (grass of Brooklyn). We are "nearby" Fort Hamilton (Indies native). The park is named after a famous Scotsman (Sir Walter Scott and Scottish Lion). And you can also gaze directly north toward Liberty and Ellis Island. These aren't immediately visible with Google maps and there is some artifact rendering issue. But you can see Manhattan in the distance. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6101898,-74.0335744,3a,75y,358.17h,68.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sszssn4vVhMQOXYcwSAfwng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Interpretation of a range from NW to NE encompasses nearly half of the NYC area, which isn't very helpful. I think what you said about pedestrian traffic does call my theory into question. However, to meet the other criteria we need to be near Fort Hamilton, and up off of the ground high enough to see the bay. This leaves few if any other candidates. Has anyone made any sense of the colored dots, and what are the other candidate locations.

Here is something interesting I just found out. There is a home in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (neighborhood next to Fort Hamilton) that was built to be a replica of Sir Walter Scott's home in Scotland. It is located at 122 76th Street. I'm not sure what this could mean for the puzzle, but I thought it was coincidental that there should be a replica of his home in an area of Brooklyn where some have focused their search. Either way, Sir Walter Scott lived in a pretty nice house!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/122+76th+St,+Brooklyn,+NY+11209/@40.631435,-74.0349407,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c24ff7a979d78b:0x8fb00ced0b8fea00

Sir Walter Scott also has a statue in Central Park that has a tree with a V right behind it. Again, not sure how that fits in with all of the other clues.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.770177,-73.9724481,3a,75y,73.94h,99.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su4iV_pmV_IRlFqYvHkUE5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Tonight's latest theory... So the imagery and verse seem to refer more to Staten Island, and specifically getting off of the ferry. "Cars Abound" probably refers to the parking lot for the ferry terminal. Looking at google maps, it is a giant parking lot. We then have a visual reference to the lion's head on the court building. We also have the representation of St. George in the wave, which is the neighborhood in Staten Island where all of these things are. There is a Hamilton Ave a few blocks away from the courthouse, and in between the courthouse and Hamilton Ave lies "Wall St". Sir Walter Scott might be an allusion to "Wall St". Natives certainly still refer to Wall St. today - who doesn't? I feel like I am close here. This theory feels more *right*. Since we know this thing has already been solved, by the members of quest4treasure I will probably look like a complete buffoon again if I am wrong. Will have to pick up again later. Need to find the "v". I think "rhapsodic man's soil" could refer to blue soil, as in "Rhapsody in Blue" or it still could refer to Brooklyn. I think that Preiss is giving the searcher perspective here. He is saying to look east towards Brooklyn, or north towards Liberty Island.

Ah The "v" is the "Ferry Terminal Viaduct".

For more information about the constant helicopter flights over the New York harbor, see "Stop the Chop NYNJ": http://www.stopthechopnynj.org/about.html
From what they describe, the choppers create more of a roaring sound than a whirring sound these days. I'd still like to find a historical reference to know when the helicopter tours started and whether they were being offered in 1981.

I am seeing this has been solved. Where are the results of the people who solved it? Has this puzzles solution ever been published anywhere? Just curious to see where it was found, if it ever was. Anyone?...

A group called the "New York Adventure Club" has the most plausible solution to this puzzle and they have been working to get permission to dig in the appropriate spot. Unfortunately, it appears that Preiss buried the casque in 1980 at the base of a young, newly-planted street tree ("simple roots"). After 35 years of growth, the roots are filling more of the opening in the sidewalk and it's going to be a challenge to extract the casque without harming the tree. Any dig will involve the rental of an Air Spade and the supervision of a trained arborist. Those requirements cost money, so the plans for a dig are currently on hold until we find a way to make it all possible. In the meantime, we are avoiding putting up the full details of the solution because we don't want anyone to attempt a middle-of-the-night dig and possibly harm or kill the tree.

It seems like it is the perfect time to recruit a new member that just happens to be a trained arborist. "Oh wouldn't you know, we have a need for an arborist, good thing you joined the club when you did." Wink Wink.

Oh, I read that story before. I thought someone actually found it. Is this in John Paul Jones park in Brooklyn? Hamilton fits the clues but so does Wadsworth & JPJ park to some extent. I was just wondering why he would bury it at the base of a tree when a tree might not be there in even a few years. That and he made rules so people wouldn't dig in certain spots as well.
Also I see just about everyone is saying Rhapsodic referring to music when a rhapsodic man can be an elevated or elated man which might refer to John Paul Jones who served the Russian Empress Catherine II and might be the Russian connection.

Thanks for the help. I think I will study this more since I am seeing things a little differently.

There are many theories, but the correct theory checks off all of the boxes, and requires no tenuous guessing. It is possible to infer the solution to this puzzle from the information provided on these pages. You must decipher one of the major elements of the image in reference to the final spot. Remember that the verse and imagery work in concert.

True but so far I don't see any correct theory by your definition since none check off ALL boxes. Basically it is all guessing from what I have read, isn't it? I mean, everyone interprets things differently, if even slightly, which can end in a different result.
Just the term "simple roots", which has been guessed, is a small tree. For me, looking at the different people it could be referring to, indicates a simple early life. Roots meaning the persons beginnings to indicate a certain person rather than an object. So too, I don't see "In rhapsodic man’s soil" as referring to Gershwin, even though he was born in Brooklyn.

However, I hope that group is right and they find it but I will keep re-thinking the vague clues since in my business, there is no place for tunnel vision and it's fun! :)
Thanks

Absolutely correct! There is no way of knowing if a solution is correct until a casque is unearthed. A new set of eyes can (and should) bring a fresh perspective.

For what it's worth, I am totally impressed with your alternate interpretation of "simple roots." I hadn't thought of it before, but I think you're very likely correct. The metaphor of the tree representing the individual totally fits the earlier line about the "natives" speaking of their local son who went on to greatness. And it doesn't change the existing solution at all.

The whole verse/image combination can be interpreted as a meditation on the melting pot of New York and on the amazing stories of immigrant families rising from humble beginnings to historic success. Whether the casque is found or not, the message of this particular puzzle has a lasting and timely value of its own.

What about Fort Hamilton Park in Brooklyn?

It's V-shaped, and the angles where 4th and 5th meet are the same acute angle as the clock in Image 12.

There's a nice, clear view of the Verrazano Narrows bridge at the south end of the park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.616114,-74.0308303,3a,75y,211h,82.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTrmJLHvG2UG8aMn5sVFCbw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Here is a nice page about the park
http://parkodyssey.blogspot.com/2015/08/fort-hamilton-triangle.html

I'm in agreement with the rhapsodic man = Gershwin, who grew up in Bklyn. The word 'rhapsody' is only associated w/ Gershwin, and he ties into the Russian immigrant theme.

I didn't say the theory was listed here. I said the theory could be inferred. You still have to do the work. Preiss uses metaphors, homonyms, homophones, and the like to describe things in the verses. However, these can be tied to real physical clues in the search. Remember to use the image as a check to see if the interpretation is correct. If you believe a part of the verse can be interpreted a certain way, then there should be something in the image to reinforce it. Sometimes the only clue is in the verse or the image, and not both. In these cases you can verify your conclusion by chaining together clues. No clue stands on its own, it is dependent on the clues before it, and the clues after it. Good luck.

Nope. I was wrong. My current that is that it is at Fort Hamilton high school. Actually, in front of Fort Hamilton high school. Byron p graduated from Fort Hamilton high school. And there is a V in front of the school. The rhapsodic man is the author himself.

Since Preiss was from Brooklyn and clues point there, did he go to that Fort Hamilton High School (I couldn't find that anywhere but I could have missed it)? It would make sense that he would make at least one of the 12 something that is homage to him. There is a clock on the front of the building and I believe a park area across from it. It has columns like the bottom left square in the image (D3/4). The lion in her outfit looks more like a tiger to me, which just happens to be Fort Hamilton's mascot. Even if he didn't go to that school (I have no idea-his Wiki doesn't list it), a lot of the clues fit.

and the park has a baseball diamond right by it. The google maps shows construction, so I'm not exactly sure where it would be. I think this is it!!
https://www.google.com/maps/search/fort+hamilton+park+high+school/@40.6274473,-74.0410673,158m/data=!3m1!1e3

(I keep finding more after I hit reply) If the "map" in her dress is supposed to be Staten Island, the jewel exactly where Fort Hamilton High School under her dress. I am trying to figure out where the V is though.

Words were missed. Was supposed to say "my current thinking is what was proposed on another board, that said that it is at Fort..."

the clock on the face of fort hamilton is also very similar to the clock in the image

Preiss gradiated in 68.
I think in the NY puzzle the "Him of hard word in three vols" is KNOX. As in Fort Knox (Fort Hamilton) / school of hard knocks (fort Hamilton HS, where Preiss graduated), and the Knox Bible which was published in three volumes. Fort Knox is also where the "treasure" is buried.

There was a V shaped path out in front of the school. . I think the rhapsodic man is the author himself.

Thoughts?

Looking at images on google, I don't see a v shaped in front of the school. I could be missing it though! My theory: If you are looking at the front of the school (with the clock on the top) there is a park behind you (the harbor is behind you too). Too the right of the park there is a "V" in the sidewalk. There are two trees and grassy (simple roots) area that would fit. I have no idea if the path was there in the 80's. I am in Houston, otherwise I would totally go there and dig.

How do you know where he graduated? I can't find that anywhere. Usually my google skills are a B+, but I can't find anything on where he went to high school.

http://forthamiltonhighschool.net/alumni-list-p.html

NYBass, are you aware of this solution proposal? It might interest you since it also refers to Fort Hamilton: http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc/thesecret/nytrail.pdf

I am ... I think he's right. The verse w the "hard word" has stumped people for a while. What do you think of my logic above?

Any chance the New York Times building could be the Grey Giant? Since it's known as the "Grey Lady". Fits with the "hard word". I don't know NYC well at all to know if this is feasible.

Maybe the old Times Tower, on Times Square? Is there a V shape there? I've never been there.

There is also a clock there that could be a match for the one in the image. To the left of the V.

Sorry, I meant the to the right of the V.

So, I had a few thoughts related to my thoughts on Image 12:

-I thought that the bottom of her dress resembled the northern edge of Battery Park at the southern tip of Manhattan, particularly where Battery Place and State St meet (forming a V). With that in mind, the droplets and jewel line up with Liberty Island Ferry, Staten Island Ferry (jewel), Downtown Manhattan Heliport, and Pier 11.

In relation to the that thought I feel like there are some things that line up with this Verse:
-The grey giant could actually be the bust of Verrazano in the park. It is quite large.
-A statue of a female representing Discovery is at the base. She bears a strong resemblance to the body of the woman in Image 12. It is difficult to say whether or not it is one of her arms extended over a path.
-Whirring would come from helicopters at the nearby Heliport (marked in the image)
-Here's the big one...

Everyone has been talking about the Indies Native being Hamilton in relation to Fort Hamilton High School. However, across State St from Battery Park is the National Archives that apparently house a lot of immigration documents. That office is housed in a building name...

THE ALEXANDER HAMILTON US CUSTOMS HOUSE!!!!!

But wait there's more:
-On the Battery park side of State St across from that building is a plaque commemorating Fort George. The Hamilton Custom house is built on the site where the fort once stood (torn down in 1790).
-Hamilton US Customs House is at the south end of Bowling Green.
-Bowling Green seems important as well. It was the site of a statue built in 1770 of King George III (the THIRD VOLUME of King Georges, if you will). He was the King who passed the acts (Hard words!?) that led to the Revolutionary War.
-The statue was torn down during the war. Patriots even cut the spikes off of the fence to get to it. Rhapsodic means "enthusiastic" or "emotional"--perhaps they were enthusiastic men of simple roots. (There's a plaque on the fence that commemorates that event.)
-By the way, Bowling Green sits north of Hamilton Customs house. And it's bounded on both sides by Broadway (capital B), which also splits into a V at the north end.

There are some uncertainties with this, of course.

-Is the V for Verrazanno (the guy in the giant statue)? Is it for Battery Pl and State St intersection? Is it for the north tip of Bowling Green? Is there a path within Battery Park that makes an obvious V?
-Is the Island of B an actual island? Is Bowling Green--a grassy park surrounded by Broadway and large buildings--the isle? (The roads that intersect Broadway are Battery PL and Beaver St. The south edge of Bowling Green is listed on maps as Bowling Green, and the address of the Hamilton Customs House is Bowling Green.)
-Am I reading too much into these things...?

Here are links to the relevant images that I believe could be related:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123211818/VerrazzanoDiscovery.png
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/123211815/BatteryParkDress.png

By the way, I'm pretty sure that in the episode of Expedition Unknown, Preiss's daughters state that the items referenced in the picture could all be seen from the area where the casque is buried. Ellis Island, The Statue of Liberty, an Eagle (East coast WWII Memorial), and the body of the lady (Discovery) are all visible from Battery Park. There's even a Roman Numeral Clock on Pier A at the Northwest tip of the park (although there is also one on Bowling Green Station).

Another thought: the Verrazano Bridge is a giant greyish bridge. The reference could point not literally to the bridge, but to the man after whom the bridges is named, and therefore the statue.

I’d be curious to see where 22 (2 x 11) or 120 (2 x 60) steps east of the statue might take you (double the hour in the picture or double the minutes in an hour, respectively), in case the v refers to Verrazzano and not a physical V.

tried the steps, 22 and 60 and nothing, especially not East. West seems like a better option, but that whole area has been renovated many times over. I fear that the spot might be paved over or turned into something else. The author seems to have made the specific location more difficult to find in NY.

Just new to the hunt, recently found this due to the travel channel...

There is a coast guard monument at the south end of Battery Park, there are 3 men in the statue. Hamilton formed the coast guard. Additionally, I have never been to the Jerusalem Grove but the photos I have seen show stones in the grass that are flowing and almost musical. Really beautiful.

Preiss was Jewish himself. So it would stand to reason that he would be drawn to that area.

Part 1 of 2 Yes, new here also. Have been finding treasure for about 5 years now. Mine has been finding things at Thrift stores and Garage sales and flipping them for 50, 100 even 1000 dollars. Its fun. The Expedition Unknown show was an instant hook for me. This is just too cool. I landscape my own properties so this is my only digging experience. I do not have any fancy equipment. I looked at this NY puzzle and tried to figure out the clues before I found this site. Wow you guys really get deep. From a simple man I came up with something different but believe it still potentially comes to similar conclusions. And Yes, I would like to share it here. The Picture - her dress is in the shape of Manhattan and Brooklyn combined. The shorter part to the left-Manhattan. And divided by the river to the long part on the right which is Brooklyn. Do not have to invert or flip anything. It is a match - right? "IN THE SHADOW OF THE GREY GIANT"(GIANTS). The tall buildings in Manhattan are the Grey Giant. Casting its shadow where? "THE ARM THE EXTENDS OVER THE SLENDER PATH "The Bridges that connect to Brooklyn. Bridges are the Arms. "IN SUMMER" Shadow casts further south than in the winter. Narrow down which Bridge? "YOU OFTEN HERE A WHIRRING SOUND - CARS ABOUND". Only one thing that make this noise to me - The Subway! The Manhattan and Brooklyn Bridges have subway with it. Is that Right? A lot of Cars for sure.

Says "Grey Giant" not Giants? The sun comes up in the East so the shadows would be in Jersey! Also for the life of me I cannot combine Manhattan and Brooklyn to see her dress?

Sorry my reply looks like I am criticizing but really just asking

Part 2 of 2 "ALTHOUGH THE SIGN NEARBY SPEAKS OF INDIES NATIVE. THE NATIVES STILL SPEAK OF HIM OF HARD WORD IN 3 VOLS." In 1981 the Schools at that time were Alexander Hamilton schools. Some of these schools renamed Paul Robeson now. Road signs will be there announcing exit ahead for schools. Which were named Alexander Hamilton in 1981. There were at least 3 that would have been posted. Ft Hamilton may have made 4. Anybody have a PIC of road signs going into Brooklyn announcing which schools is ahead in early 80s? This is getting long. From here I was looking for a Park. Like many of the other cities. Prospect Park fits. Has a V in it. Flat Bush Ave and Mary Pinkett Ave. Would be going half way down these Roads “MIDDLE OF THE BRANCH” looking for Statue or Monument for "SIMPLE ROOTS" and "RHAPSODIC MANS SOIL" in 1981. Really just breaks down for me here. I think sticking with the School theory and Byron Preiss roots (school) works. If Byron's daughters are accurate in saying "You can see all the clues from the dig spot" That is huge. May be the best clue of them all. Do not see a V at Ft Hamilton School. But I trust if some of you say it was there. Thanks for letting me share. Thank God for spell check.

I saw NY Skyline as a singular Giant. Not trying to pick out one particular bldg. Why does everyone assume this is a statue of a person?
Sun sets to the West. Shadows would be over the bridges to and including Brooklyn. Longitude clue is 74. So a sunset shadow would line up. West side sunrise shadow would not. Right?

(I am replying to your comments as a whole.) I feel like these puzzles are “cold cases”. As with criminal cold cases, sometimes it takes a new detective with fresh eyes who doesn’t take any previous findings as fact. I often do not agree with some of the “givens” stated on this wiki. But if you share it, many people will automatically disagree with you, and that’s just what to expect. It is what it is. Unless you have really good photographic proof, it’s not going to go over well with the “old detectives”.

Personally, I’ve tried to make the image match New Jersey, Philadelphia, Staten Island, etc. I’ve researched to see if the “Grey Giant” was Shea Stadium, the elevated train system in Brooklyn, Manhattan as a whole island, etc. But I don’t expect people to hear me out. I don't even share it here lol.

I can appreciate your comments. I’m not judging anyone on this site for their fervor or beliefs. I like this forum. But in other forums, I notice that people fall in love with their own ideas, share them, no one responds, or if they respond it is to argue. That’s “Secret” threads at their worst. After learning that, I just don’t share an idea unless I have a picture to back it up.

I have no idea where the 74 came from I cannot see it but whatever. The verse again says arm not arms there is one bridge on the lower side of Manhattan that I know of, and several on the East side? But if you are only staying on 74 for whatever reason I agree. Since that eliminates the upper bridges into Astoria, and Queens So arm or arms? I guess this is why it has been out there for 35 years :-)

My initial instinct for the "grey giant" when I first saw this was the Empire State Building. However, I am of the opinion that the "Grey Giant" refers to the Verraz(z)ano Bridge either directly or to the namesake of the bridge. Assuming that the "Indies native" line refers to Hamilton, there two general locations that seem most likely to me are either Battery Park (as I mentioned above) or somewhere along Shore Park area (where the bridge ends at Fort Hamilton).

Of course, in that episode of Expedition Unknown, Josh Gates mentions that many feel that it refers to George Washington.

This might be a bit of a reach, too, but does anyone know if there are landmarks relating to Charles Dickens in Manhattan? An alternative to my thought on King George III is that Dickens's novelization of "Hard Times" is sectioned into three "books." He visited NYC a couple of times, once while writing "American Notes" in 1842 (he visited Five Points and the asylum on what is now known as Roosevelt Island*) and again in 1868, during which a banquet was thrown in his honor at Delmonico's (which is just 2-3 blocks from Bowling Green on Beaver St). I know there is a room currently called "Dickens' Alcove" in the restaurant. Does anyone know if that existed in the early 80s as a possible point of reference?

Edit: Some believe "grey giant" refers to Washington. I was a bit vague in my pronoun's antecedent.

How about another theory ?? :-) If an arm is a bridge then what about the Verrazano bridge. It is a grey giant, and pasts over the narrows, a slender path! Also if I were in Staten Island and gazed north I could see everything including Long Island where Brooklyn would be the leading edge! Or the Isle of B !!! Crazy :-) By the way if you are not from New York look on any map and you will see the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island are on the New Jersey side!!! That should get your heads shaking :-)

Had a chance to look at the site and what every one has said. Both the image and verse side. I am with you on this Verrazano Bridge now. I will have to start over from there. Thanks for your input. Is everyone in agreement that we still end up at the V out in front of Ft Hamilton High School though? Did someone propose next to a tree? I cant find it anymore. I hope not next to a tree. In St Augustine the tree that cascade is suppose to be next to is thick in roots. I could not probe anything but roots. Thanks and Good Luck NY.

So, I happened to notice on the text page the reference to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. It's probably a coincidence, but while the north end of the Verraz(z)ano Bridge ends at Fort Hamilton, the south end ends at Fort Wadsworth (named after a general, not the poet). Surely, it's also a coincidence that the park immediately adjacent contains a very obvious V in its path, and Ellis Island and Liberty Island are nearly due north of that park. And it has to also be a coincidence that the park is named after a Arthur von Briesen, who "helped found the German Legal Aid Society, which provided free legal services to poor German immigrants in New York. Fourteen years later, he became its president. Throughout his leadership, Von Briesen argued that the benefits of democracy should be available to all, regardless of nationality. Immigrants, he believed, made better citizens when they are treated justly. (nycgovparks.org)"

Hi I like so many here no doubt saw the episode on Expedition unknown, so I have not been working on this for years, only a couple weeks. My question is and I hope to get a response, who decided the images go with this or that verse? I have really only looked at New York and Louisiana, but I noticed that because the face of the woman in image 12 resembles the Statue of Liberty, it must be New York. Then I noticed the hand and arm holding the mask on image 7 could be taken as the arm holding the Flame on the Statue of Liberty! Maybe this is why so many have not been solved, who did the matching of the verse to the images? Thank you

I can't say for sure that the verse/image pairings are correct. I have sometimes wondered if the verses could line up with other cities/images than the pairings listed. However, I feel nearly 100% certain that Image 12 is NYC, and nearly as confident that Image 7 is NO. I also feel that the people that have been working on this for 35 years have probably looked at various combinations, and as a result concluded that these are the best pairings. While I agree that fresh eyes and minds can help, I do think it's worth not throwing away the decades of work that exists.

Anyone else notice that the spacing and capitalization in this verse is different from the rest? Like the lines are intentionally spaced and random words capitalized/not capitalized that shouldn't/should be?

Below is the letters in order of how they appear in the verse, nothing spelled out that I can see. Maybe its an anagram puzzle? Anyone else have an opinion?
I O F E I Y C A N S I T O H V T O F O L A I O T B

Has anyone considered the idea that “east steps” might means stairs instead of paces? I know the number is assumed to be 22 (2x11), which depending on height would probably give a staircase of 1-2 stories. NYC is notoriously flat in topography, but it’s possible that there is some kind of hillock or building entry (it looks like Federal Hall, for example, has 18 steps).

I think you’re probably right. The measurements in the solved verses were all objective and definable (though ‘paces’ is given in the Milwaukee verse, other ‘steps’ seem to mean stair type steps). Would be counterintuitive to set everything out in very variable measurement when the locations are so precise! 22 of my 5’3 midget steps would probably be 15 for someone else!

A pace is 30 inches. 22 paces is 55 feet.

Surely you’re not supposed to be able to measure 55 feet when you’re out and about?!

But interesting fact- literally never knew that.

Back in the early ‘80s when my family took me all over the place at their whim, we’d always see people with a measuring tapr “claim” an area for themselves, usually to set up something like volleyball or badminton. I’m starting to wonder if he was thinking along those lines.

I would say probably not. Obviously, as it has been pointed out, the verse says steps and not paces. When it come to the "or more" part, I would suggest you think out the box. That line is not as literal as what it seems, and if you were within range of the spot, I figure it would make more sense. It seems like a vague number of steps, but I am sure it is not. Double meaning.

Or he was making an estimate. But even then, there could be a double-meaning.

An estimate would seem very unlikely when you look at how precise his directions where in the other puzzles. An estimate is a guess, why would the person that placed the casque in the ground give an estimate that is clearly vague? If you are reading that line literally, then 22 steps or more could be 1,000 steps. It is simply a play on words. FYI: if you are using the proposed solutions on this site to start your hunt, you are already on the wrong path. The shape of her dress is not Manhattan, or Brooklyn, or Staten Island.

Here's a strange coincidence. Back is HS we did a thing where we had to measure our "pace." A pace was the distance of 2 steps. Mine (back then) was about 5'. 11 on the clock x 5 ft = 55 ft. Your 22 paces = 55 ft. It doesn't seem to make sense now that I wrote it. (This hunt is turning my brain to mush)

I'm not even 100% sure it's 22. "The hour" is kind of vague. Many presume he means "the hour (on the clock)," but what if he means 120 (2 x the number of minutes in the hour)? I just don't know for certain.

its steps not paces, 22 steps would be between 48 and 57 feet. the or more clause would mean he is not sure how long your step is
but it will be obvious you are walking toward something finite that will stop you from going further, a wall or an object. so he estimated the steps short, the or more takes you the last little bit.

I have been looking at this verse for sometime and wish to throw a different spin on the solution.

"In rhapsodic man's soil"
Rhapsodic man always reminds me of Freddie Mercury ala Bohemian Rhapsody, who was a lover of NYC in the 70's and 80's and in his soil could be a direct link to his house in the area. Other ways it can match with him are the following:-

"Speaks of Indies native"
"The natives still speak"
Freddie was born in Zanzibar, but was schooled in India and his correct birth name is "Farrokh Bomi Bulsara" I am not sure if there are any other links to this name itself.

So I did a little research on houses he had in NYC and came up with the following... http://nymag.com/realestate/features/65221/
This gives a specific location and may be one of many homes he had in NYC, but it may lead someone with local knowledge to link this location to the puzzle.

Sorry if this throws a curve ball, but I thought I better share, just in case it leads us to finding the elusive casque.

I think the poem very strongly describe things in and around John Paul Jones Park in Brooklyn. It doesn't match the image (perhaps the images are just setting the location that it's close to the shore, but I would have assumed they would be visible from the final site.)

does anyone else think the void between the bird's legs looks like Governor Island?

I do believe it's a clue. However, no I don't believe it's a very good match to Governor's Island. I do believe it matches something else. Just my opinion.

BP didn't go to Fort Hamilton High School, he went to Midway. His best friend (the books photographer) went to high school with him and he said they went to Midway.

Byron Preiss must be one of those popular, common names like Smith, Jones and Doe....because that name shows up in their list of alumni:

http://forthamiltonhighschool.net/alumni/7718584/bryon-preiss.html

It has been confirmed that Byron Preiss went to and graduated from Midwood High School. BP grew up in a section of Brooklyn called Flatbush. This theory of Fort Hamilton does not hold water.

I don't know why he is on the list, but he did not graduate from there. I'm too lazy to look, but perhaps two of the schools combined at one point?

Coincidentally, this is right by Prospect Park...start your search there.

I'm not too lazy to look....but, am not in NY area.

Or, I'd head out to both H.S.. and the local libraries to have a look-see.

I'd probably also head out to the county clerk and county recorder's offices, to see if it was possible to verify residences....or, to take a look at various surveys, plats, plans, etc for specific public areas. Plans that might have been filed back in the day. That would show specific changes, over time, to most authorized changes, including design, layout, and landscaping. (Where I live, plans like that are filed *before* work is done to public areas, like parks...and, those are retained. Maybe the local recorder's office has those, too.)

This also lists him there...
https://www.classfinders.com/directory/ny/brooklyn/352/
https://www.classfinders.com/people/ny/brooklyn/bryon/preiss/

BUT....I did find a comment from somebody else who signed his online memorial book, following his wake/funeral. That person also said that they were classmates at Midwood High. (Not Midway).

So, must be, since two different people who knew him back in the day said they were classmates of his at that high school. (A yearbook from either h.s., circa '68 should verify it.)

It has been confirmed by one of his best friends AND a Midwood Highschool yearbook.

Not just from one of his best friends (as I've already written)....also by another person, who wrote on his memorial guidebook that he was a classmate of hers. (Of "Hers"....a female....not the photographer from the podcast.). Two separate corroborating sources stating that he attended Midwood.

However, also confirmed by 'a' Midwood H.S. Yearbook. One.

Any chance he was a transfer student and attended both high schools?

Checking "more" H.S. Yearbooks *might*confirm that....every student, from all 4 grades, had their pictures in all 4 years of the yearbook from my H.S. Of course, Midwood and FHHS may not have done that....their yearbooks might have only contained seniors.

(Just trying to cement Midwood in stone and completely eliminate Fort Hamilton H.S.....either way, I'm not sure that will eliminate FHHS as a way point in some people's proposed solutions. For me, thinking that he went to FHHS was just interesting trivia....)

I've been looking into this. But haven't found some of the items mentioned. I heard Ben Asen on the podcast talk about attending Midwood with Byron.
Mister EZ - can you elaborate on the post-funeral online memorial posting you recall seeing? Do you happen to have or recall the URL?

Bestauntie - you mention seeing a Midwood HS yearbook with BP in it. Do you happen to know any other info? They year? Was he a graduating senior in that one? Did you see it personally or is this info you uncovered somewhere?

I don't doubt either of your info. Just trying to help see if we can pin this down.

I DID contact the curator of the Brooklyn Collection of the Brooklyn Public Library and can confirm that they looked through the 1967-1969 editions of "The Tower" for me - Fort Hamilton HS yearbook - and they reported to me that there is no Byron Preiss in those editions. They did not mention whether or not only graduating seniors are in the book or other grades as well. They did not have yearbooks from Midwood for the relevant years. Still looking for those.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?n=byron-preiss&pid=14515270

In the middle of the page, there is a box with rotating comments from people who signed the guest book, now expired. Look for the comment from Elizabeth Cohen Mayer.....should be the first comment that appears, after the page loads.

Ok so I'm looking at Prospect Park. If you look at the shape of the park it matches the woman's head and arms. If you look at the shape of the bottom of the park it looks like the bottom of her dress. Then on the east side of the park is a oval shape that matches the water droplet that is laying on it's side. And to the west of that at the far edge of the park is a horse statue that looks similar to the "lion" in the crashing waves. If you go to Lookout Hill you can "look down" (south) and see Midwood HS. There is a memorial to the "Maryland 400" it's a pillar with a sphere on top. But the inscription is what go me! All the letter U are replaced with letter V. And the monument looks like the clockhands. So go east from there and hopfully find it!

Kang I look forward to your response. ;)

https://imgur.com/a/AthOsFi

My response would be to encourage anyone here to follow wherever the clues seem to lead you. This puzzle needs new ideas! Frankly the current theories of how the puzzles do and don't work and some of the "accepted truths" haven't found one in nearly 15 years. Now maybe that's because they've all been lost to time. Or maybe one of the vets is one clue away. Or maybe a rookie will come up with some crazy idea and blow this open. To each his own....

Hi there New York seekers! I haven't been involved in the search for the casque in New York, mostly concentrating on the San Francisco search. But me and my lovely wife (a NYC native) have what we think is a dead on solution for the New York puzzle. Out solution has a different base assumption than the consensus solution. Note we are using the images and the poems just like Preiss wrote them, nothing wacky or out of the ordinary, just a different base assumption. Every item in the verse and most of the items in the image fall perfectly in line. So if you would like to hear our solution, just drop me a line. We're out in San Francisco, and won't be going to NYC any time soon, so we need some local help. Cheers!

I have a few ideas but unfortunately they all seem to lead different directions.

One thought for “The natives still speak of him of hard word” is John Murphy who led construction of the Verrazzano Narrows and was called “Old Hard Nose” for being tough. And workers included the Mohawk Ironworkers, which ties to the “natives” phrase. I’ve searched a bit for a book about it “in 3 volumes” without luck. I’m wondering if “volumes” could have any different connotations.

Another “Isle of B” is “Randall’s Island”, formerly “Buchanan’s Island”, in the East River. And I think Roosevelt’s Island was formerly “Blackwell’s Island.

I have been translating the hiints pages in the Japanese versino of the book, and I can say that the translation for this part of the V10 page is pretty striaght-forwards and probably correct:
"Mr. Preiss answered my question with a riddle. Watch your words to get to this entry, the start is chicken. That is what he said."
The hints sectin in the Japanese book seems to be froma conversation between the translator and Preiss. The word "chicken" is printed in english, so is as correct as correct can be. This "Him of Hard words" has something to do with chicken. That's coming from the author's mouth! Hoping it helps, because it's thrown a spanner in my works.
As for the Isle... remember the hints for the solved casque that read M & B set in stone. They were initials, and this could be along the same line. I have been thinking that it may not be as direct as we all think. Maybe the island isn't an island per se. An isle is a small island. Maybe it's smaller than we imagine. Maybe B isn't a straight up name, but a generic name for the actual name... I am thinking something like Duck Island in the lake in Prospect Park. The small island of Bird (Duck). It may even speak of an island that isn't surrounded by water... here we have traffic islands- things in the middle of the road. It could be something like that...non-water island???

A traffic island on Broadeay has been suggested, and Buchanan’s Island was part of my solution until I realized it can’t be seen from my spot. I also had a location on Governor’s Island at one point, but the visible isle to the north is Manhattan. At this point, I’m thinking that if it’s not a traffic island, it’s either something that’s not there any more or something very obscure and specific

Hello from across the pond in the UK. I got hooked on “The Secret” after watching the ‘Expedition Unknown’ series (like a lot of people have) about a year or so ago, and have a few thoughts that may or may not be of interest.
The Grey giant may refer to the USS Intrepid which arrived in New York harbour in 1981 and was probably big news then. I also see a possible number 8 in the upper left and right ‘Ishihara’ like panels – Pier 88 is next to the USS Intrepid in Pier 86 – “In the shadow Of the grey giant”?
Also looking at the solve of the Boston casque on ‘Expedition Unknown’, I suspect that “Take twice as many east steps as the hour” could be not as evident as it reads (In the Boston case, Jason Krupats’ solve interpreted “Take five steps” as five wharfs. So could the “east steps” be streets?
Opposite Pier 88 is West 48th Street, if we continue all the way along, we get to 5th Avenue (could this be the “V” – Roman numeral), and then across into East 48th Street. If we then go halfway along East 48th Street between 5th Avenue and Park Avenue, we can turn right into Madison Avenue (From the middle of one branch of the V). We continue down Madison Avenue across 22 east streets to East 26th Street (twice as many east steps as the hour) and we arrive at Madison Square Park, which stretches to East 23rd Street (twice as many east steps as the hour Or more). Could this be a possible site? I know some of the verses don’t fit in with the theory but going back to the Boston solve, I still struggle to connect the final resting place from the clues in the verse!

….Also the USS Intrepid has two ‘arms’ that stick out from it’s bow, maybe one of these overhung a pathway or it’s shadow did (see uploaded image).
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/150674739/USS_Intrepid.jpg

I have it in Brooklyn in John Paul Jones Park named after a navy officer but also the same name as a member of Led Zeppelin. In the Japanese edition it refers to an epic song, well you can't get any more epic than stairway to heaven. Also it is right next to Ft. Hamilton which is the indies native.

I think that ‘Liberty’s’ right sleeve is the key and location marker. The unusual shadow under her nose looks like a pointer pointing to the sleeve.
Here is my full solve:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/153612711/Verse10_image_12_Limey%27s_solve.docx

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